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Originally posted by fab100

Not withstanding my preference for all things Harken, the nicest for the Laser is the Fredieriksen, now made by Ronstan, but they are rare and expensive.
https://www.roostersailing.com/pd/Ronstan-RF62100-60mm-Freddie-Ratchet-Block_101077.htm

Two of those was what I paid for my Laser...   :O
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Neptune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 17 at 8:02pm
I've got on really well with the Ronstan Orbit and the Harken, both good blocks doesn't really matter which you go for, but i'd say go for an autoratchet
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Post Options Post Options   Quote laser193713 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 17 at 9:56am
Originally posted by fab100

Originally posted by Eisvogel

Yes, I will get that done on Saturday: replace the old sharp-edged central jammer with a ratchet block, and not add cleats.

Thanks for all the replies and the interesting discussion!

We are probably just getting started! Next thing is which ratchet block. They are not all equal.

Not withstanding my preference for all things Harken, the nicest for the Laser is the Fredieriksen, now made by Ronstan, but they are rare and expensive.
https://www.roostersailing.com/pd/Ronstan-RF62100-60mm-Freddie-Ratchet-Block_101077.htm

A Ronstan Orbit Ratchet gave up the ghost on my too quickly, the Selden that came with my 100 is 'orrible.

So if not a Fredi, I suggest Harken.

Stand by for another 5 pages...



The ronstan/fredi is by far the best choice. They are by no means cheap though. What is wrong with the Selden one? When I had my 100 I actually quite liked it, it wasn't as "bitey" as the fredi but it certainly worked well. The issue was more the stupidly thick, fluffy mainsheet. I changed this for a 6mm laser mainsheet after having the boat for a month or so and it all worked well after that.

The Harken is my least favourite of the lot. I have one on my 400 and it annoys the hell out of me, it squeaks as you ease the sheet and the grip is quite inconsistent especially when it gets wet. It's okay on that boat though because I have a mainsheet cleat!!!  Ouch Embarrassed LOL


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Are you allowed to remove the side cleats?
They really kill my bum!
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Are you allowed to remove the side cleats?
They really kill my bum!

I believe so. Many people have. As it is not mandatory to fit them when the boat is new then removing them must be OK (I took them off all of mine). I am sure you could find a definitive answer if you trawled through the Laser class rules.
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As my username suggests, I have owned 6 lasers. All have had cleats except my current mount. The only time I miss them is in lighter weather where I like to fine tune the main sheet tension and cleat it so that when I move or tack I do not alter the sheet position. I am now seriously consider fitting them.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote laser47 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jul 17 at 9:37am
Originally posted by laser193713

 
The ronstan/fredi is by far the best choice. They are by no means cheap though. What is wrong with the Selden one? When I had my 100 I actually quite liked it, it wasn't as "bitey" as the fredi but it certainly worked well. The issue was more the stupidly thick, fluffy mainsheet. I changed this for a 6mm laser mainsheet after having the boat for a month or so and it all worked well after that.

The Harken is my least favourite of the lot. I have one on my 400 and it annoys the hell out of me, it squeaks as you ease the sheet and the grip is quite inconsistent especially when it gets wet. It's okay on that boat though because I have a mainsheet cleat!!!  Ouch Embarrassed LOL

Squeaking and inconsistency when wet would suggest you've got a bit of gunk in the bearings; sounds like your 400 block just needs a good long soaking in warm fresh water and dish soap. 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote laser193713 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jul 17 at 1:07pm
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Originally posted by laser193713

 
The ronstan/fredi is by far the best choice. They are by no means cheap though. What is wrong with the Selden one? When I had my 100 I actually quite liked it, it wasn't as "bitey" as the fredi but it certainly worked well. The issue was more the stupidly thick, fluffy mainsheet. I changed this for a 6mm laser mainsheet after having the boat for a month or so and it all worked well after that.

The Harken is my least favourite of the lot. I have one on my 400 and it annoys the hell out of me, it squeaks as you ease the sheet and the grip is quite inconsistent especially when it gets wet. It's okay on that boat though because I have a mainsheet cleat!!!  Ouch Embarrassed LOL

Squeaking and inconsistency when wet would suggest you've got a bit of gunk in the bearings; sounds like your 400 block just needs a good long soaking in warm fresh water and dish soap. 


Nothing to do with the bearings, it's the grip between the sheet and the surface of the block which is noisy and unpredictable when the sheet is being eased.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jul 17 at 3:43pm
Originally posted by laser193713

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Nothing to do with the bearings, it's the grip between the sheet and the surface of the block which is noisy and unpredictable when the sheet is being eased.
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I know what you mean.
This is a function of both the sheave design and the rope.
Changing the thickness or stiffness or shiny-ness of the rope can alter the grip.
Also the wrap angle around the block.
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