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bustinben
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Topic: Laser mainsheet -- cleat or no cleat? Posted: 07 Jul 17 at 11:08am |
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There are a number of options available under the class rules for all your systems.
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sandgrounder
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 17 at 1:03pm | |
Not so sure about that. Robert Scheidt, arguably the most successful Laser sailor of all time utilises side cleats for tacking. And I've seen some top Laser sailors using the cleats to set the mainsheet upwind in lighter breeze. Edited by sandgrounder - 07 Jul 17 at 2:31pm |
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RS400atC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 17 at 1:33pm | |
The sheet loads seem pretty high to me. Mine does not have cleats, and I often find I'm sat where they would be. Maybe I don't use enough kicker and sit too far forwards? I don't wear gloves except for crewing anything with a big kite or the depths of Winter. |
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transient
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 17 at 3:24pm | |
Using mainsheet cleat in a small dinghy?........Aaaaargh.
I did it once, to roll a fag going round Sheppey , it felt so totally wrong that I gave up smoking shortly after. Edited by transient - 07 Jul 17 at 3:26pm |
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 17 at 7:40pm | |
Use em all the time, did back in the day in my OK do today in the Spice. Haven't got one on the Blaze as I've gone off-the-boom but it had one before and I've still got the bits. If I stay centre mainsheet on the Supernova I may fit the redundant cleat from the Blaze.
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GarethT
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 17 at 10:32pm | |
In a breeze you'll be needing to use sh*t-loads (I think that's the correct term) of kicker to keep the sail flat, and the mainsheet controls the sheeting angle. Sitting toward is good in the lighter stuff, and I've seen a number of foreheads gashed by cleats, so I would remove them from the decks. I use centre jammers on the OK, but you are sat above it so it is easy to release. In a laser you are sat at the same level as the cleat, so I can imagine having problems releasing it bearing off on a breezy day. |
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laser193713
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jul 17 at 7:15am | |
The fact that at least 80% of lasers on the circuit don't use the cleats is probably more relevant than the fact that some of our forum users have cleats on various other dinghies. You don't need or want cleats on your laser - FACT.
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jul 17 at 8:53am | |
Unless you like bum bruises from deck cleats! Mainsheet jammers attached to the final block are the work of the devil in pretty much any class.
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transient
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jul 17 at 10:10am | |
As I said just now:
Using a main sheet cleat on most small dinghies is not good practice and on a Laser it certainly isn't common practice. You will not be in full control of the boat with the main sheet cleated just as you wouldn't be in full control of a car with the throttle jammed open ( best analogy I can think of at the mo).
A mainsail needs constant attention and trimming to maintain speed and control heel. Everything you need to do in a Laser can be done with two hands and no cleats. (apart from rolling fags ) |
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sandgrounder
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jul 17 at 10:33am | |
Difficult to generalise really. Keith Wilkins won more Laser Masters World titles than anyone whilst using a centre jammer, so each to their own Edited by sandgrounder - 08 Jul 17 at 11:59am |
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