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NickM
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Topic: Taking penalties Posted: 18 Jun 17 at 5:32pm |
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If you have to spin, once you are clear of other boats etc. etc, is it best to start with a tack or gybe? My instinct would be to tack if it was windy but maybe gybe if it was light to work up some momentum.
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jun 17 at 6:33pm | |
It will depend on a host of factors, including whether you are on a downwind or upwind leg.
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jun 17 at 2:43am | |
Good article here
But there are a few other key considerations:
Maybe some team racing folk have some useful 'rules of thumb'? |
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NickM
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jun 17 at 8:08pm | |
Good article. Thanks Brass.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Oct 17 at 11:58am | |
I get the idea behind this, but in reality you would have to stop heading up to assert those rights(rule 16)
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Oct 17 at 10:59pm | |
I don't know what you mean by 'assert those rights'. Either a boat is a right of way boat or it is not. I think you may not be applying rule 16 correctly. Rule 16 is a rule of Section B: it is a limitation on the right of way rules of Section A. It does NOT displace or render the right of way rules inoperable. A right of way leeward boat is perfectly entitled to head up, and a windward boat is required to keep clear: rule 16.1 requires only that, when changing course the leeward boat gives the windward boat room, that is the space, acting promptly and in a seamanlike way to keep clear.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Oct 17 at 11:41pm | |
I can't imagine a situation when you would need to luff someone as you exited your turns. So I only though about port starboard. Being on port you have no right of way. But, reading the new rules, I think you're right. Previously, when a port boat takes avoiding action, the starboard boat couldn't change course so the port boat had to immediately change theirs. Under the new rules that's only the case when the port boat is ducking. RRS 16.2 In addition, when after the starting signal, boats are about to cross or are crossing each other on opposite tacks, and the port-tack boat is keeping clear of the starboard-tack boat, the starboard-tack boat shall not change course if as a result the port-tack boat would immediately need to change course to continue keeping clear." RRS 16.2 In addition, when after the starting signal a port-tack boat is keeping clear by sailing to pass astern of a starboard-tack boat, the starboard-tack boat shall not change course if as a result the port-tack boat would immediately need to change course to continue keeping clear. Does that mean when to reaching boats meet on opposite tack, and the port boat sails higher to avid the starboard, the starboard boat can dial them up? Edited by mozzy - 09 Oct 17 at 11:44pm |
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Oct 17 at 12:52am | |
For pete's sake, the unconditional (omitting 'pass astern') version of rule 16.2 was the 2001 version of the rule. It was amended in 2005. Yes, S can dial up, but why on earth would she want to? Bearing in mind that rule 16.2 has been deleted for Match Racing since 2001.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Oct 17 at 9:22am | |
They might want to do it to force a penalty on another boat?
I've been yielding to boats on port when heading up and bearing away unnecessarily for years (exiting mark roundings)! What happens when a port boat tacks to avoid? Can in that moment the starboard boat bear away and call a penalty? Wouldn't that now be the standard defence when port goes for a lee bow tack? Edit: I've read this now Seems the rule was changed to stop port tack boats on a start as the starboard boats racking up would be heading up and preventing a port boat who was until they headed up, keeping clear. Which seems like a good change.
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