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iGRF
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Topic: RYA or new organisation Posted: 26 Apr 17 at 9:09pm |
My view is always, easy in easy out, hence never committing to it commercially, that and I think it's gee eh? why?
But is the latest trend in watersport and it is easy access, they've even got a very pretty girl teaching Yoga on it I might sign up myself for a laugh dying dog on a Sup sounds the nuts and Tuesday nights being windsurf race night are usually windless, it was good to see the bar populated after racing however so it's good news better wetsuits than lycra like we have sunday mornings. But commercially it's a runner at least Tushingham has gone Venture Capital and hocked himself into the realms of bean counters hence having to ditch his own sail brand at the altar of Red Paddle. He wouldn't have done that if the numbers didn't add up. It's not one of those all encompassing things like sailing, it can be done along with other activities and is a beach, fun, canal river, lake pastime which will have it's fifteen minutes, that's for sure. |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Apr 17 at 9:35pm |
Surely sailing is a beach, fun, canal, river passtime, too? The Mirror could be towed, sailed, have a Seagull on the back, take a picnic, be raced in huge fleets, be cruised thousands of miles, be used as a tender, and was stupidly popular. Now, most on here would appear to think of it as a bit boring because it is slow and old. The racers changed it to be more "modern", so making it less suitable as an all rounder, the glass versions are eyewateringly expensive, sails cost an arm and a leg.
Give SUP a few years and it will start to eat itself, too. Already the race boards are getting more and more extreme and unusable by part timers. |
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Apr 17 at 10:50pm |
A bit like the windsurfing industry did by killing Raceboards in favour of FW? Thankfully Starboard saw sense and started marketing a Raceboard again that you could race in all conditions rather than sitting on the beach 4 events out of five waiting for the wind........
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Chris 249
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Apr 17 at 8:06am |
What about a semi-formal pressure group from within the RYA membership? If the groundswell of resentment is strong enough, wouldn't someone be able to contact a bunch of class associations and clubs and get them to join a lobby group that could present formal joint positions to the RYA for their consideration? I organised something similar once in windsurfing and the International Windsurfing Association jumped pretty quickly to change their position once someone leaked a draft letter of complaint from several national association presidents. We didn't even have to actually go as far as presenting the letter to drive our point home.
I've got half a mind to organise something similar down here. It's a low-overhead way of proving to organisations that many of their members are narked, and it puts them on notice in a way that organisations find hard to ignore. If the presidents of (say) HISC, QMSC etc and the Solo, RS, Ent, Firefly and other classes started making a formal joint plea to the RYA surely there would be some action?
Edited by Chris 249 - 27 Apr 17 at 8:08am |
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turnturtle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Apr 17 at 10:27am |
Whilst I agree with your approach, I simply cannot see the case here.
A joint plea about what exactly? I can't see anyone with a genuinely vested interest in the UK dinghy scene actually standing up and saying 'boo!' to the Olympic programme..... there's too much shared glory at stake. Secondly, as the stats on this very poll show, the level of disgruntlement is actually very, very low - and it would be significantly lower if the poll were conducted via a wider medium of non-forum dwelling recreational sailors and racers. I guess most of us assume the RYA isn't going to be perfect, it represents several groups of the wider boating community and to be honest, probably doesn't want too much engagement from it at club level anyway. My own specific feeling is that I prefer an independent body like the RYA than a Whitehall department for the wider issues such as maintaining accessibility to water to sail on. So a few kids go off and follow their dreams for a few years.... making friends for life, travel around a bit and spread their horizons beyond their GCSE coursework and which Kardashian posted last on Twitter. That's possibly at the sacrifice of finding adult club racing a bit dull upon their return.... but let's be honest, SFW, they're probably right to have other priorities in their twenties anyway and quite honestly, they've got a point- it can be dull and formulaic, I'm not entirely convinced that's the RYA's fault really!!!
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Apr 17 at 11:49am |
The problem is not with the few who "go off and follow their dreams for a few years...." but the ones who are lost to sailing because they didn't 'make the grade' and, more importantly, weren't guided onto another path.
But, I agree with many of your points and if we were to go with Chris' suggestion we would need a very clear idea of what we wanted to achieve.
Edited by Sam.Spoons - 27 Apr 17 at 11:50am |
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turnturtle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Apr 17 at 12:17pm |
Honestly I doubt folks with that mental geometry would stick with it anyway.
If they found it all too hard not making the grade amongst their own peer group in youth sailing, then I really wouldn't be surprised if they'd have left club racing anyway. Frustrated with the realities that they are maybe sailing a boat with an unfavourable handicap for their local club, or that they couldn't afford the latest and greatest new 25k Moth or that actually some 'old codger' in a Merlin is still a better sailor than they'd ever be.... experience still counts! This 'spat out the system' argument just doesn't make sense- it assumes that club sailing would have otherwise been exciting and rewarding enough to ensure a life long engagement with sailing at this level. I just don't buy that I'm afraid. Where there is a viable point, is that parents give up their own sailing in order to facilitate the travelling to these events- this means that the clubs are depleted with teenagers and folks of their parents age who would otherwise be participating as more of a family activity and make the social back bone of a 'club' more complete. I guess this is why you get the polarisation at some clubs of young children learning the basics and empty nesters in the old man classes.... this makes them pretty soulless places to hang out for the non-sailing other half. That said, I fail to see this aspect of club life being the RYA's fault or responsibility. Edited by turnturtle - 27 Apr 17 at 12:44pm |
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Apr 17 at 1:07pm |
I would hope RYA are keeping a watching brief on sailing forums,they must then know what people are disappointed about, they should be pleased with poll.
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sargesail
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Apr 17 at 11:18pm |
Bang on.
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Chris 249
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 Apr 17 at 1:35am |
Oh, I wasn't trying to say that anyone SHOULD necessarily create a pressure group; just that such a group working within the RYA may be a more efficient way to address any issues than leaving the RYA to form a new group. Apologies for any confusion.
Edited by Chris 249 - 28 Apr 17 at 1:44am |
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