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ian.r.mcdonald
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Topic: Solve this Solo Mystery? Posted: 04 May 17 at 7:54pm |
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clibbs@waitrose.com
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 Apr 17 at 6:39pm |
Frank Mountifield was Mike's dad, and he was a measurer for many classes, including Solos, keeping racks of templates in his garage. I had my first Solo measured by Frank, number 3593 as I recall, and it was built by Robert Young on the IOW. Contentious point, I still think Robert Young was the best builder of wooden Solos around at the time. Frank used to keep a shotgun in his garage, and take potshots at visiting magpies, who he accused of terrorising the smaller birds. On measuring my boat he declared it to be overweight, and said I could remove some of the lead. This surprised me, as I had finished theboat myself, and was very concious of the weight. On packing up the boat following measurement we discovered Frank had left his shotgun in the bottom of the boat, thus adding some ten pounds or so. A quick re-weighing corrected the position. I sold the boat to someone at Papercourt. It was always quick, and I hope it contiued to be so. Nick
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zippyRN
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Dec 16 at 10:40pm |
some classes require all sails to be measured and signed for any class legal use , in this case it is common for the purchaser or the sailmaker to arrange for the sails to be measured before delivery or to be delivered to the measurer / mutally convenient place for the end user to collect after (successful) measurement . \As other posters have said for those classes with appointed / approved sailmakers or where the sails are made as a subcontract to the hull manufacturer measurement may not be required i nthe the same way as it is for those classes where the owner / sailor can get any willing sailmaker to make a suit.
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zippyRN
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Dec 16 at 10:38pm |
I'd agree with that assessment , a signature on a sail usually comes from measurement and iirc the Solo is class where there are no approved sailmakers only sails that measure or don't measure and the latter are technically not Solo sails ... ...
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craiggo
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Dec 16 at 4:10pm |
As has been said, until recently sails needed to be signed by either a class measurer or an RYA sail measurer. Frank Mountifield was indeed a class measurer back in the day that Dick Batt made this sail.
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Dec 16 at 3:16pm |
I would say all otherwise the sailmaker could say it will measure but without verification how can you be sure.... Most SMOD classes who use a single sail supplier (or classes like the Firefly who appoint a sailmaker) will likely not require measurement as the sail is made to a set design.
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Paul
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gordon1277
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Grf
I think you will find most classes who are not restricted to one sail maker require the sails to be measured. Are the Solution, EPS and Alto sails measured and legal? |
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Dec 16 at 2:44pm |
Except self-measuring by sailmakers is a relatively new thing. Traditionally measurers were independent of the sailmaker and specific to the class. Hence the need to track one down and buy them a beer or 2 to get a sail measured.
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Paul
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furtive
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Dec 16 at 2:39pm |
From the Solo class rules:
G.2.2 CERTIFICATION
(a) The official measurer shall certify mainsails in the tack and shall sign
and date the Official RYA certification mark.
(b) The RYA may appoint one or more persons at a sailmaker to measure and
certify sails produced by that manufacturer. So, extraordinarily, it could be the case that Jim is wrong, and GRF is right. Truly the end of days...
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Dec 16 at 2:14pm |
Surely you know this, but such signatures are usually used at major events where equipment is measured before the racing starts, especially if the number of sails to be used is limited. So in the vast majority of cases at least its a check that the sail has been through measuring at that particular event and has no significance beyond that.
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