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ClubRacer
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Topic: Changing sails mid reggatta Posted: 20 Sep 16 at 6:13pm |
On a short series (aka open event) im convinced i read somewhere about not changing sails without them becoming damaged
Am i going insane? I know when i did the Laser nationals some time ago i was given stickers to put on all gear to prevent changing it and sail stamped but cant find anything for other classes
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Sep 16 at 7:17pm |
Normal for the classes I've sailed. Stops switching from light wind to strong, or similar. Saves an arms race.
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ClubRacer
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Sep 16 at 7:29pm |
is it a rule/class rule/SI?
cant find anything on it at all |
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Sep 16 at 7:29pm |
Normally it would be in Sailing Instructions rather than Class rules. Not every class feels it necessary, and for club SIs over a long series it would probably not such a good idea.
Edited by JimC - 20 Sep 16 at 7:31pm |
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Sep 16 at 7:09am |
At club level people may obtain new sails over a series or may have a 'heavy wind' sail and a good sail that they switch between (common in Lasers, I had an old sail for those windy days).
I don't see a problem as long as they are not changing to gain an advantage (i.e. changing to a Laser Radial in heavy winds and using a standard in light winds unless they are given 2 sets of results). At open meeting and championships then the same set should be used regardless unless damaged and permission obtained to change them.
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Paul
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GML
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Sep 16 at 9:40am |
Seems to be quite a bit of confusion here!
There is nothing in the Racing Rules of Sailing that prohibits a boat from using multiple sails during an event, even during a single race - don't forget the rules apply to offshore yacht racing as well as to dinghy racing. Certain classes have class rules that limit the number of sails (and other items of equipment) that can be used during a single event - e.g. Laser class rule 7(c). (Note that this Laser class rule applies to all "series of races" and as such it would appear to me to be a breach of this rule to use a different sail in strong winds, even in a club series, if your club is strict about the Laser class rules e.g. no replica equipment). The limitation isn't always one sail - for example the Finn class rules permit the use of two sails during an event. Otherwise, there will only be a limitation on the number of sails that can be used during an event if that limitation is explicitly set out in the Notice of Race or Sailing Instructions for the event (or in a document that is incorporated into the rules for that event through the NoR or SIs, such as Event Equipment Regulations). (And it should probably be set out in the NoR as it may be a material factor affecting a boat's decision to enter the event). If none of the above applies then as far as I can see a boat would be entirely within their rights to use as many different sails as they wish during an event.
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GML
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Sep 16 at 12:03pm |
PS And to my mind it isn't enough for the SIs to include a rule which says that substitution of damaged or lost equipment will not be allowed unless approved by the race committee. Such a rule does not require me to get the race committee's approval if I want to substitute a different sail for one that is undamaged and not lost.
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Sep 16 at 1:00pm |
If you tried that an an event where the SI's said you must seek permission and you chose not to I would not be surprised to see you either protested or penalised in some way. It is usually a formality and they may wish to see the damaged sail. As others have said it prevents people from having sails specific to conditions for classes where that is not the norm. Club level sailing no problem at all, people get new or replacement sails all the time or choose to use a less good set when it is really windy.
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Paul
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Oct 16 at 6:19pm |
I think that GML is suggesting is that the rule requiring RC approval to substitute a good for a damaged sail does not prevent a change from a good (light weather) sail for another good (say, heavy weather) sail. It's down to the wording of the SIs and, in the scenario suggested by GML any protest would be bound to fail unless the SI's specifically outlaw any change of sail. TBF the SI's/Class rules are usually worded such that any substitution is banned except for damaged or lost equipment, and such must be verified by the Race Committee.
Edited by Sam.Spoons - 12 Oct 16 at 6:26pm |
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Oct 16 at 6:43pm |
Much better to not go sailing and stay in the bar than canvass down to continue racing... Dinghy Logic.
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