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Andymac
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Topic: Pursuit race wrong course Posted: 26 Jul 16 at 5:03pm |
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I agree with Jim in that the boat can technically correct its mistake at any time (assuming it realised its mistake), even by effectively sailing a 'NON' lap round other marks. I would add the caveat; the boat would have to declare it to the race officer/committee so that the 'NON' lap was discounted from the distance sailed. If the boat didn't realise it had missed a mark on a given lap then it would need to go to protest. I'm not sure if found against the boat what score the committee would then apply? Imagine doing that in the first few laps of the Stockport 24 hour and not realising till the end! |
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JimC
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I've just thought of a nasty complication. The layout of the rest of the course will mean that either the string pulls tight to D->D->E(right side) which I suspect may be OK, or alternatively to D->E(wrong side)->D->E(right side), which I think must be in breach of RRS28.
Doesn't pose a problem in normal racing, when its clearly a failure to complete the course. There might be an argument for clarifying what happens in average lap , grand prix finishes or pursuits, in which case it ought to go in the SIs with the rest of the relevant parts. I just checked the SIs for Southport 24hour, since its only very long duration races where it might be possible to have a dud lap and still do fairly well, but there's no mention - but also a v simple course. |
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Brass
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Jim, Thanks for the explanations.
Here's a diagram of the situation as it appears to me Note that rule 28/Case 106 don't require surplus marks to disappear: just that the string when drawn taut passes on the required side. Can you diagram the layout you think is problematical?
What about the situation with average laps, where it is to a boat's advantage to 'lose' her last lap? Edited by Brass - 27 Jul 16 at 12:26am |
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JimC
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Here's what I mean. CB not mark of the course.
In left hand one if a boat leaves the OD to stbd her string doesn't touch it. In right hand one if boat leaves OD to port her string does touch it. Been discussing this with club SC, think we're likely to put an extra sentence or two in SIs next year so RC and scorer are in no doubt about correct procedure. As you rightly say, not fair to ask them to think this out on the fly. As for the DSQ without a hearing for course errors, Orwellian, well maybe. Didn't say I thought it was best practice! Personally I would be happier if there was a hearing and opportunity to RAF. |
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Brass
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Don't get that.
In RHS diagram assuming Edited by Brass - 27 Jul 16 at 2:49pm |
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