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Finngle
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Topic: Pursuit race wrong course Posted: 25 Jul 16 at 9:22pm |
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Can anyone tell me the answer to this one please...
In a pursuit race, if a boat sails the wrong course for the full hour (ie goes the wrong side of one mark consistently), then must that helm elect to retire or face disqualification? In a pursuit, the winner is the boat which has gone the furthest distance. A boat which sailed the wrong course sailed the right course until the mistake on the first lap. Can it be argued that such a competitor should be awarded last place? Thanks. |
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 16 at 10:13pm | ||
I hate pursuit races, the last one I took part in they changed the course about 3 times, here is a video of this race, excuse rude gesture at end.
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jul 16 at 12:19am | ||
Presumably nothing in the SI removes the requirements under rule 28 that the boat shall sail the course, and nothing changes the requirement in rule 63.1 that a boat shall not be penalised without a protest hearing, unless somebody validly protests the boat it should be awarded points for the place in which she crossed the finishing line.
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Finngle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jul 16 at 1:43am | ||
OK so presumably the course constitutes a full lap at least then.
Can race officers protest the boat? |
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jul 16 at 2:10am | ||
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Finngle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jul 16 at 9:06am | ||
Ok that's great, thanks :)
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jul 16 at 11:37am | ||
The helm should retire.
If they do not it depends on the SIs. Default RRS is that the RC cannot DSQ a boat without a hearing, but may protest the boat, but its not uncommon for club SIs to permit DSQ without a hearing if a boat sailed the wrong course. What I'm not 100% clear on is if a boat misses a mark on just one lap in a pursuit or average lap/grand prix finish race, and there's no special provision in the SIs. Should the PC score the boat as if it sailed one lap less, or should it be scored DSQ? Brass - in pursuit races at clubs in the UK its not uncommon to have a travelling finish line, which records the boats' positions on the water as soon as possible to the finish gun. So any boat which is on the race course effectively finishes the race. Edited by JimC - 26 Jul 16 at 11:40am |
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Brass
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timeintheboat
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jul 16 at 1:33pm | ||
A more common variation on this is with average lap racing in clubs where the course includes crossing the start/finish line each lap. As the RO my duty is to record the times of the boats that sail the course. If they don't go through the line they haven't completed a lap so shouldn't have a lap time recorded until they do. But this is the RO acting as judge and jury about who has sailed the correct course.
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Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jul 16 at 2:52pm | ||
There are any number of ways this is done. Some clubs do indeed set up a finish line at every mark and finish at the next mark. Its usually considered bad form to overtake after the finish gun on a reaching leg at least. Others declare a nominal finish between two committee boats which travel in reverse direction back down the fleet starting at the leader's position when the gun goes, or even a single committee boat and estimated 90 degree angle to the rhumb line.
It's basically an administrative convenience and saves hearings. If a boat disagrees with the RC's observation and considers she sailed the course correctly she may of course request redress and a hearing would proceed in much the same way. The accuracy thing is like OCS/black flag. The RC can't guarantee they've spotted everyone who got it wrong, but you do your best. Nothing precludes another competitor protesting. But you must remember things are very different on a 50 acre lake than they are with two mile legs on hazy open water!
Lets suppose the course is A->B->C->D->E->F-> indefinite number of repeats A boat passes the wrong side of E. She is, presumably, still sailing the leg from D->E, since she may correct any errors and continue if she has not finished (28.2). She then sails round F, A, B, C, in which case she is leaving on either side marks which are not on the leg she is sailing (28.1). She then rerounds D, which is not prohibited (Cases 90, 106), and passes on the correct side of E. So, effectively, she has corrected the error. Her string passes each mark on the correct side and, arguably, in the correct order, if you ignore the marks which are not on the leg she was sailing. Her string touches each rounding mark and passes between any gates. Edited by JimC - 26 Jul 16 at 3:10pm |
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