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Brass
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Topic: Class rules in handicap racing? Posted: 09 Aug 16 at 4:17am |
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JimC
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There's not to my knowledge a standard SI for PY racing, and I'm not sure there's any especial need for one. I did get an RYA opinion on Class rules and handicap racing, and the general thrust of it was that if a boat is altered to take it out of class rules, be it anything from lengthening the hull to using "replica" sails not permitted by those class rules then it ceases to be a member of the class. End of. That has some implications. The first that occurs to me is that as soon as it ceases to be a member of the xyz class presumably *none* of the class rules apply, and now I think of it does that have interesting implications as regards RRS49.1? I suppose readily worked round by inventing a set of class rules for "John Smith's Boat which is a Laser 4000 hull with Rooster Sails and the class rules are just like the Laser 4000 class rules with the bit about sails deleted", and does it say class rules must be written down? The next is that the published handicap for the xyz class is not necessarily appropriate for the boat, and the club IMHO *must* be notified of precisely what the boat is so they can issue a handicap. If you claim a boat is a Wotsit 15 on your entry, and actually you know damn well it isn't then that's a serious matter. I think from a PYAG/EHAG point of view it would be immensely important that if a boat isn't a Wotsit 15 in any respect then its clearly marked in the club return as not being a Wotsit 15 so it doesn't reduce the integrity of the calculations. But the main thing is down to eligibility, and I think that's really down to the club and the NOR. I think the club can do what it likes as regards eligibility. On the one hand it seems to me very important that sailors maintain boats in classes simply so we have real classes for the returns. If there aren't sufficient genuine Wotsit 15s racing then there can be no published number for Wotsit 15s, and if there aren't sufficient genuine boats of any class then dinghy Portsmouth yardstick will end up following cruiser PYS into history. On the other hand I don't think genuine prototypes and one offs should be prohibited from racing. |
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RS400atC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Aug 16 at 2:49pm | ||||
LTSC specifically require any breach of class rules which enhances performance to be notifed to the race committee. I think this is directed mostly at weight equalisation classes.
The most frequently broken class rule is probably the requiremnt to be a member of the class association? |
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jul 16 at 9:18am | ||||
Yes. I'm interested in class rules issues in general, for example corrector weights, templateing, SMOD parts etc.
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jul 16 at 8:33am | ||||
I believe most classes that allow free pumping say it is only allowed above a certain wind strength and if a flag is flown. As this flag is unlikely to ever be used in a handicap race the PY will be based on boats sailing without breaching rule 42 (in theory).....
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 16 at 10:31pm | ||||
Surely the RYA have a standard SI for Yardstick, which should cover class rules issues?
Can anyone point me to it?
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 16 at 7:04pm | ||||
Lasers appear to actually include it in their coaching sessions, though.
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 16 at 12:15pm | ||||
Same for some other fleets who I shall not name....
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patj
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 16 at 8:10am | ||||
For the recent combined CVRDA and classic Finn event, the SI (written by a Finn sailor) specifically included that Finn continuous pumping was not permitted. It made it clear to everyone, Finn or other class and by saying it in the SI any pumping would be more likely to be spotted. There were no problems anyway.
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Rupert
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In the Laser fleet, never. |
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