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Rupert
Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Topic: In or Out? Posted: 14 Jun 16 at 8:27pm |
Workers are far better protected under the EU than they ever would be under a Tory government paid for by rich businessmen.You hear of billionaires wanting out. Best reason to vote to stay in.
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drifter
Posting king Joined: 09 Jun 08 Location: Oxfordshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 177 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jun 16 at 9:35pm |
I'm deffo for in. Vote out, and the Scots will go for Independence again, and will win this time. Then I'm stuck in no-mans land. Scotland might never be in the football Euros ever again though. Nor maybe England for that matter. But more convincingly, nobody knows what being out will bring. Why take the risk. Don't let immigration rule-we were all grateful for it half a century ago.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jun 16 at 10:06pm |
Does that mean you'd be prepared to vote leave if we had a Labour govt at the moment? |
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JimC
Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6647 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jun 16 at 10:49pm |
I wasn't aware anyone knows what staying in will bring either...
And as far as I can see in general rich businessmen are in favour of staying in |
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craiggo
Really should get out more Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jun 16 at 10:51pm |
It's a very tough question, especially given the lack of real facts, but we have become a very risk averse nation and I think that has crushed our ability to truly innovate. Perhaps a leave vote will allow us to move into being a more progressive, forward thinking nation rather than dwelling on past successes.
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Presuming Ed
Really should get out more Joined: 26 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 641 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jun 16 at 11:53pm |
Any evidence about innovation? Numbers of patents etc?
But in general, that's the sort of ridiculous assertation that makes me cry. Did you not read the FT this morning?
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jeffers
Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jun 16 at 8:48am |
All the MEPs in Brussels are elected just not in the UK. If you want unelected officials just look at the House of Lords.
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turnturtle
Really should get out more Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jun 16 at 9:51am |
an effective or at the very least, tacit mandate to Brussels for ever closer union on the unelected 'EU junckernaught'. vote leave- it's the only way to maintain the status quo, or nearest we have to it.... - no schengen - no single currency - no unified welfare state and healthcare system - no unified military capacity connected directly to economic drivers (NATO is independent) - a democracy (not perfect, but at least a democracy) - a sense of self determination and common law ethics, fundamentally opposed to corporate cronyism and tax avoidance - no enforced blocks, embargoes and trade tariffs with emerging markets that we don't want, just because they are not located in Europe - an innovative outlook that acknowledges cultural difference and diversity as positive attributes that define product and service offerings across most markets and sectors - an assumption that we can trade product, service and human resource with the rest of the world based on supply / demand economic policies- especially with commonwealth countries with strong cultural ties vote leave! Edited by turnturtle - 15 Jun 16 at 10:25am |
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fab100
Really should get out more Joined: 15 Mar 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1005 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jun 16 at 10:43am |
We may think our politicians are a contemptible bunch (I'm with PJ O'Rourke who identified that the people who go on to become politicians were the ones we'd classify as 'interfering tw@ts' at school, remember them?) They've got worse since schooldays, not better.
But lets look at some of the European ones over the years. Berlusconi, any French president you can think of, the loony fascist who marginally failed becoming Austrian president recently, the eejits the poor Greeks have had to put up with and many more. But worse, the really powerful ones are tantamount to invisible, being faceless, unelected, irremovable Commissioners like Juncker. Luckily, the EU Commission has not yet started interfering in the dinghies we sail but given their way, can anyone imagine they'd be anything other than in hoc to the lobbyists for some Euro/French equivalent of Performance Sailcraft, creating enough regulation to put all our small but brilliant boat-builders out of business?
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Presuming Ed
Really should get out more Joined: 26 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 641 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jun 16 at 11:08am |
And if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
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