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    Posted: 19 Jun 18 at 6:33pm
Originally posted by Ardea

The RS200 is a world away from the twitchy monster this forum suggests it is.  However, the advice above is good.  Composite enterprises are rather good & L2000 are great for what you are looking for.  Both would be better for what you want than an RS200.  The L2000 will be faster, but more complex to rig than an ent. So getting from trailer to water will take longer, but it'll probably be better once on the water.


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doubt you would see a decently sailed Ent behind a L2000 in anything but survival conditions, or a long reach when the 2000 is 3 sailing
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Eisvogel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jun 18 at 9:56am
We have L2000 as training boats, and the other day I took one out for our club racing with a beginner. I usually sail an Ent, and I did not really get on with the L2000 very well. I thought it was slow and heavy. Maybe that's just because as a training boat it has not been set up properly for racing, but I'd much prefer the handling of the Ent...
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The RS200 is a world away from the twitchy monster this forum suggests it is.  However, the advice above is good.  Composite enterprises are rather good & L2000 are great for what you are looking for.  Both would be better for what you want than an RS200.  The L2000 will be faster, but more complex to rig than an ent. So getting from trailer to water will take longer, but it'll probably be better once on the water.
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However, interested in views on the Enterprise - as you say you can get one for a lot less. However, I'm not a fan of wood bothering and I've only heard bad things about GRP ents…?


Theres an ent on apolloduck (22706) which looks to be a composite boat - the FRP on these will be durable, there is a similar aged one at our club that was an open winner the year before last.
With regards woodbothering, its really not necessary in the (relatively) modern age. anything with a 22k number will have been constructed with epoxy resins and if coated with a decent 2 pack finish will need almost no maintenance aside from keeping it clean.


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I was lucky with my early Ent' 1970's, this did not have issues associated with GRP boats from that era, only issue I had with it, couldn't get it to point at first, but following rigging advice sorted it.
Newer Ent's appear to be ok ? Have a look on Enterprise class website 'for sale' section and ebay etc
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Berth to Lake is about 10-15 metres at our lake so the weight is not too big a deal. There's a slight slope but manageable. Bala and Lakes have straight forward launches.

However, interested in views on the Enterprise - as you say you can get one for a lot less. However, I'm not a fan of wood bothering and I've only heard bad things about GRP ents…?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 18 at 6:06pm
Enterprise for me too, the struggle with weight of 2000 on soft sand or in fact hard, or any kind of slope, rules it out for parent/child combination, plus you will pick up a decent Ent' for a lot less money.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sawman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 18 at 5:46pm
The issue with the 2000 is its weight. When the sprog has gone off in search of crisps and pop, and poor old dad is left to drag the bloody thing up the beach..... never mind what the official weights are its barely anylighter than a wayfarer

its a pleasant enough (slow) sail and very forgiving, needs a bigger kite though

on another tack, the hartley 15 is actually quite a nice boat - its equally heavy though,
I was also impressed by their 12.2  - like a well sorted, feva, may not be quite was you are looking for though


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wiclif Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 18 at 5:12pm
2000 is good. In my opinion better than the Enterprise any day of the week.

Just back from a week at Minorca sailing and I have a lot of respect for their boat choices. They have sufficient customers that they get firm opinions on which boats are best for them. They have an actively used fleet of 2000’s
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sawman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 18 at 3:33pm
out of your list the Enterprise would be the only one I would consider, for the same reasons given by Sam. You could consider a scorpion, or possibly GP 14 - these could be single handed if mutiny has occurred too.
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