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Topic: Ways the RYA corporation has failed your club. Posted: 09 May 16 at 12:20pm |
The remits of the RYA and World Sailing are not that closely aligned.
From the WS website: World Sailing is responsible for: • the promotion of the sport internationally; • managing sailing at the Olympic and Paralympic Games; • developing the Racing Rules of Sailing and regulations for all sailing competitions; • the training of judges, umpires and other administrators; • the development of the sport around the world; and • representing the sailors in all matters concerning the sport. The principle members of World Sailing are the 'Member National Authorities' (MNAs) and the 'Class Associations'. From the RYA website: The Royal Yachting Association (RYA) is the national body for all forms of boating, including dinghy and yacht racing, motor and sail cruising, RIBs and sports boats, powerboat racing, windsurfing, canal and river boat cruising, and personal watercraft. I think it is right and proper that the RYA do represent all forms of boating, however it is clear that the RYA is not a national equivalent of WS, and I wonder if it would be beneficial for such an organisation to exist in parallel with the RYA. e.g. UK Sailing is responsible for: • the promotion of the sport nationally; • managing sailing at National Championships; • developing the regulations and NORs for sailing competitions; • the training of judges, umpires and other administrators; • the development of the sport around the country; and • representing the sailors in all matters concerning the sport. The principle members of UK Sailing are the Clubs and the Class Associations. What this means in practice is a body that co-ordinates the activities of the clubs and classes so that there is clarity and structure to the season, events don't have a calendar clash, status is bestowed upon certain events, smaller classes can 'buddy up' to get economies of scale, etc. I would also like to see an effort to increase the number of less competitive, mass participation events, the equivalent of fun runs of cycling sportives, where the majority enter for the fun of the challenge, rather than endless triangles in back-to-back racing. |
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realnutter
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 16 at 12:40pm |
The RYA doesn't appear to cover canoeing... The BCU does that instead... A strange historic quirk, or smart thinking by the canoeists?
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 16 at 1:14pm |
Basically historical quirk. The earlier sporting national authorities weren't generally top down creations, but tended to coalesce from local and regional ones. The Canoe Club was founded in 1866, and became the Royal Canoe Club in 1874. At this stage there was no distinction between paddlers and sailors, and what they did was quite different to what went on with the Royal Yacht Squadron for example. The Yacht Racing Association was founded in 1874 and was a sort of umbrella for yachting clubs, small sailboat racing scarcely existed other than the canoes. The Royal Canoe Club tended to be basically a regional organisation as it still is, although it had some influence (but not authority) over other regional Canoe Clubs. The British Canoe Union was set up in 1936 to create a National team for the Olympics. The Yacht Racing Association was mainly concerned with yachts, but steadily moved down in size so that by the 20s it encompassed what is now the International 14, but I'm not sure there was much international small boat racing before that other than the Canoes. A parallel UK sailing to the RYA doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Turf wars! Edited by JimC - 09 May 16 at 1:17pm |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 16 at 1:17pm |
Doesn't cover rowing, either.
British canoeing, as it is now, dates from 1936, the Yacht Racing Association from 1875. I think Canoes were beneath their notice,though. |
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iiiiticki
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 16 at 1:46pm |
Yes Rupert. I agree.
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Presuming Ed
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 16 at 2:06pm |
Absolutely. Who would affiliate to WS? But who would lobby government? Looks like I would just have to joint 2 organisations. Don't see the point. Why (for example) hive the race officials department off to a separate organisation?
Edited by Presuming Ed - 09 May 16 at 2:06pm |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 16 at 2:37pm |
It wouldn't be a rival organisation, it could even be an RYA department, though I doubt they would want it. Rivalling the RYA would be doomed to fail, but clearly the RYA takes a laissez faire attitude to non Olympic/Youth dinghy racing and I think they may welcome the support so that they can focus on the big picture.
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 16 at 3:00pm |
When we were talking about an organisation to look after the interests of Handicap racers, it occurred to me said organisation could well if it chose so to do, affiliate to the RYA if guilt needed to be assuaged, so the same could occurr to UK sailing, the fact is the more 'they' let a vacuum spread, the more likely something would come along to fill it.
Edited by iGRF - 09 May 16 at 3:02pm |
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 16 at 3:04pm |
And they could call it, say, the "Racing department", and have alongside it other departments like "Cruising", "Training", "Powerboat Racing" and "Legal"? |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 May 16 at 3:15pm |
The different departments may well be one of the issues with the RYA. Things fall down the gaps between them, I think. Training is pretty well sorted at clubs for beginners. I've been race coaching for years, but rarely run an actual RYA racing course. Class associations, often with RYA support in the background, run training days, but for the great unwashed, non travelling handicap sailing generation, the reliance is on clubs helping out. Racing and Training departments within the RYA could maybe do more to show how they are working together outside the squad systems. Or maybe I should just ask my RDO!
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