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    Posted: 02 Nov 15 at 9:44am
It occurred to me we blithely talk about market niches and so on without actually doing the numbers.
So, using the race nubers in last years PY tables, I'm going to post a few percentages...
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to be fair, probably a more accurate reflection of the UK dinghy racing scene than going on nationals attendance... but will of course neglect those classes popular enough to still get local fleet racing. 

(another grand assumption that it still happens at other clubs ... I'm not sure it does at the smaller clubs around here that's for sure.)  


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Single handed, no Spinnaker: 63%
Single handed, sprit kite: 3.5%
Single handed, pole Kite: 1% (Mirror, sailed singlehanded)

Two handed, no spinnaker: 7%
Two handed, sprit kite: 14.5%
Two handed, pole kite: 12%

Three handed, pole kite: 0.1%

(numbers rounded)

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Originally posted by JimC


Single handed, pole Kite: 1%


dumb question, but what boat(s) that?
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PY 800- 899 singlehanded: 1.5%
PY 900- 999 singlehanded: 7%
PY 1000-1099 singlehanded: 23%
PY 1100-1199 singlehanded: 24.5%
PY 1200-1299 singlehanded: 1.5%
PY 1300-1399 singlehanded: 7%
PY 1400-more singlehanded: 1%

PY 700 - 799 two handed: 0.2%
PY 800- 899 two handed: 1%
PY 900-999 two handed: 9%
PY 1000-1099 two handed: 11%
PY 1100-1199 two handed: 10%
PY 1200-1299 two handed: 2%
PY 1300-more two handed: 1%   

PY 900-1000 three handed: 0.1%

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Difficult one to categorise this one. Done my best.

Singlehanded, FRP & Wood: 21%
Singlehanded, mainly FRP: 2%
Singlehanded, FRP SMOD: 37%
Singlehanded, Thermo SMOD: 7%

Two handed, FRP & Wood: 16%
Two handed, mainly FRP: 2%
Two handed, FRP SMOD: 13.5%
Two handed, Thermo SMOD: 1.5%

Three Handed, FRP & Wood: 0.1%

Basically FRP and Wood includes anything with multiple construction, which also includes all the potential homebuilds. I didn't think I could reliably identify every class where there are actually significant numbers of homebuilds, but the numbers are miniscule. Many of these classes have near enough no wooden boats built nowadays, but a reasonable population active.

Mainly FRP includes traditional multi builder classes like Finns and 505s where I reckon there are not significant numbers of wood boats about.

Thermo includes rotomoulded and injection moulded.

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I've classified short wings/flare as no assistance and very wide wings with trapeze.

Singlehanded, Trapeze or s/seat: 4%
Singlehanded, no assistance: 63%

Two handed, no assistance: 27%
Two handed, one string: 5%
Two handed, two string: 2%

Three handed, no assistance: 0.1%

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Originally posted by JimC

Difficult one to categorise this one. Done my best.

 I didn't think I could reliably identify every class where there are actually significant numbers of homebuilds, but the numbers are miniscule. 

(numbers rounded)

I probably mentioned home builds in the wrong way.

I was aiming more at referring to boats that could be constructed by anyone without the need for a complicated type mould (vacuum or however they are done) or where that option is available


More the type of boat that a builder could take the plans and build it without the need for to much investment in tooling. 

Making the differentiation between only molded boats (Larks, Laser's, RS's) and boats of multiple constructions (Scorpion, Enterprise, GP14, Albacore, Merlin Rocket, Solo, Streaker, Miracle, Fireballs................)

Surprised 1 string double handed isn't more, due to Fireballs, or do they sail as fleets


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The categorisation is still tricky.

In those classes that have significant numbers of foam sandwich home builds moulds/jigs/tooling tends to be passed around from person to person, so is only really an issue for the first of a new design. In the Cherubs and ICs at least there are also building techniques for foam sandwich which considerably reduce the amount of tooling required. But frankly I'd be surprised if home builds make as much as 1% of the active UK dinghy racing population.

Then for a builder, although a proper mould costs as much to build as a complete new boat would, the saving in time in production and improvement in quality is that the tooling pays for itself after very few boats, I bet probably no more than 4 or 5.

I'm sure every class which has less active boats than it would like to think on the PY list will say that it only races in fleets. The converse argument is that the more popular the class the more fleet racing there is likely to be. I have no data to offer an opinion.

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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by JimC


Single handed, pole Kite: 1%


dumb question, but what boat(s) that?


That's is a great idea for a new boat.   How about a Solo with a twin pole symmetric kite?   Or a Phantom for the pie eaters.   It would make the runs less dull.

How about an unstayed single sail boat with an symmetric kite.   Imagine an RS300 with a symmetric kite???  It would add a certain frisson to the whole experience.


Edited by boatshed - 02 Nov 15 at 12:55pm
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