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bustinben
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Topic: Bad Back issues & Bowen Treatment Posted: 21 Dec 15 at 11:33am |
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I'm not a doctor, nor do I work for the NHS or anything else remotely public sector. I just take offence to flawed logic
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Dec 15 at 11:47am | |||
You take offence at someone offering a bit of helpful advice based on an actual positive experience?
You need to have a word with yourself, or maybe try one of those extremely helpful NHS counsellors.. |
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bustinben
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Dec 15 at 11:59am | |||
I refer you to the below: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman I take offence to flawed decision making and advice in matters of health, not people offering helpful advice.
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turnturtle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Dec 15 at 12:06pm | |||
How is following some advice based on a 'I tried this ****, it worked for me, it might work for you' basis in anyway flawed decision making?
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bustinben
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Dec 15 at 12:22pm | |||
Because there is absolutely no evidence that it did work. Anecdotes are worse than useless when it comes to making decisions on treatments. The advice: "There's a therapy that I think might work for you, here are some studies that show how and when it's effective and why" would be helpful. "My dog's brother was cured of cancer by visiting a chi alignment specialist, you'd be mad to trust the NHS" is what is not helpful. There's an important distinction between these two.
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ventus
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Dec 15 at 12:54pm | |||
Must say it's nice to see you and grf are back your antagonistic best. Your and especially grfs posts have been so balanced and reasonable in the last few weeks, that I just assumed that your accounts had been hacked. |
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turnturtle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Dec 15 at 1:33pm | |||
that one wasn't antagonistic... peer-to-peer advice is often some of the best we can receive in life. Yet when it comes to health and nutrition, we can so easily get blinded by science. We default to a position of trusting educated 'experts', many of whom may not have first hand experience of either the ailment or the alternative treatment. Sure, I'm not saying the entire medical industry is full of crooks and charlatans, but do me a favour - trust them? Pharma companies, the NHS and the GPs on kick backs.... no thanks.
Besides someone saying something worked for them, is not the same as them saying 'it will cure you'. My conclusion on something like this, I wouldn't knock it till I tried it.
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turnturtle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Dec 15 at 1:36pm | |||
apart from the guy saying first hand that he noticed a benefit? OK then, that's not enough for you maybe, but I'd give it a go before resorting to NHS quacks and chemicals.
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bustinben
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Dec 15 at 2:26pm | |||
And how does the chap who is reporting this first hand account have any idea that the benefit he noticed can actually be attributed to the treatment in question and not something else? Perhaps he was going to get better anyway. Perhaps he ate an over-ripe avocado and over-ripe avocado happens to contain a previously undiscovered cure for his condition. Perhaps an earlier treatement he tried and decided doesn't work, actually did work. I'm not saying he's doing it with malicious intent but the fact is, there is no evidence of any connection between the two events. Maybe I'm wrong... feel free to point out where the proof is Edited by bustinben - 21 Dec 15 at 2:29pm |
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turnturtle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Dec 15 at 2:33pm | |||
mate, there's clinical research to suggest a placebo is as a good as a cure if care to hunt the evidence on the internet hard enough. But you prove the guy who claims to feel better from it is 'wrong' before I justify he's right, which he is, if he feel better for it, who the hell are we to tell him it was probably the Toffee Crisp in the waiting room, not the treatment he's received?
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