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Originally posted by Solo4652

So, we end up gybing the downwind angles, much like an asymmetric. Maybe that's one reason why symmetric kites have all but disappeared - modern dinghies are too fast to make them work efficiently.

surely if its faster to sail downwind playing the angles then it is more efficient?

it always amuses me to see most of our club fireballs sailing dead downwind when they should be heading up a bit, they do at opens but for some reason they forget its faster on a dead downwind leg when its blowing back at the club.
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Originally posted by Time Lord

Try out a modern Merlin Rocket. Spinnaker chute so easy launch/retrieval unlike GP; carbon mast, boom and spinnaker poles that do not hurt when the crew throws them at you; well built and hold their value. The raking rig allows power up/ down easily and they work well on rivers and small waters as well as large reservoirs and the sea.

Get a trial sail in one!

What are the modern Merlins like to hike for the crew? I know the last time I sailed a Scorpion it was a lovely ride but the hiking position was so uncomfy.

That said i would happily crew a Scorpion again just with a decent set of hikers on.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Solo4652 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Oct 15 at 12:25pm
I crewed for Dan Alsop for a good few years in the 1980's - lovely guy and great sailor. Bumped into him at Salcombe Week this summer, and he's still right up at the sharp end of the fleet. In reality, I'm looking for something less complex and less expensive than a Merlin for club racing at Leigh and Lowton. I don't want to spend a fortune - I'll keep my Solution for days when crew isn't around - so I can't afford to have a lot of capital sitting in the boat park. Might even forego a kite as long as the boat is light and reasonably modern.
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What are the modern Merlins like to hike for the crew?

No idea you'll need to ask a crew! My crew doesn't complain too much (at least about hiking!) and there is plenty of room to stretch out.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ardea Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Oct 15 at 12:49pm
I've spent a few seasons crewing a scorpion and found the wide side decks nice to hike off, although it was a wooden one. Maybe toestrap length is your issue?

I've not sailed a modern merlin, but I personally like the scorpion as it seems to move nicely in a wide range of winds and water states.  From the crews perspective it always felt like we were working with the boat, not fighting it.  Plus the class is great.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote timeintheboat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Oct 15 at 1:45pm
The MRX could have been that boat, great idea, lovely looking boat but at the wrong time - just when the asym revolution was getting a head of steam.
Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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The Scorpion & Merlin may have been around a while but as they have both been refined continuously over the years they are arguably more modern than a lot of later designs.

As for why sail a symmetric spiny boat, as well as the previous comments it's just another part of the game... the tactics change slightly but it's fun and a different sort of challenge. My other boat is an RS800 so I'm not against assymmetrics, just think there is a lot to be said for sailing symmetric boats as well. Yes when the breeze is up it can be quicker to sail angles but it is only really effective on large courses and force 4+ for the Scorpion, the rest of the time you'd probably be looking to soak on the runs. The crossover time can make for some really interesting racing though!

As your looking for something simple, inexpensive and light then it will really just depend what is on the market at any given time. At 81kg the hulls are lighter than most the contemporaries but complexity and value will depend on the individual boat, there are a few options on http://www.sailscorpion.co.uk/?page_id=751&a=browsecat&category_id=1 though.

If you want simpler, cheaper & weight is still an issue then you could also consider a Lark?

P.S. Jeffers, I almost joined Hunts this year (couldn't justify the joining fee on top of membership for how much I would actually sail there) but I may yet do next year in which case I'll bring Sc2037 down. The deck shape has changed a bit over the years and there's a little toe trap adjuster next to you so hopefully it'll be a bit comfier than you remember if you fancy a sail...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Oct 15 at 8:38pm
Y'all need to MTFU with the 'M' standing for 'Modern' and try an Alto. Ticks all those boxes, soak deep, yet run hot angles, is easy to handle yet tests the brain.

Scorpion? Merlin? have it written in your will you can be buried in them by all means but as modern boats?

STFU! with the 'S' most definitely standing for 'Shut'.

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What are the modern Merlins like to hike for the crew? ]


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