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Originally posted by ClubRacer


All hypothetical
Boat 1 does 3 laps, lap 1 is a 1km 1tack beat, lap 2 is the same but lap 3 is a true beat
Boat 2 does 2 laps, both laps are the 1 tack beats
Surely boat 1 is getting screwed on corrected time because of the extra distance having to be sailed

Its immediately obvious that the race wasn't run fairly


How is it any more or less unfair if this is caused by the RO changing a leg than if it is caused by wind shifts that the RO DOESN'T respond to?

Originally posted by ClubRacer


but cant find anything to put on a protest form that would get the race thrown out


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The only way i can see it working for a handicap race is having every boat doing the same number of exactly the same laps

The laps don't need to be exactly the same, as long as they are not significantly different, where 'significantly' takes account of the consistency, or otherwise, of the performance of the boats in the fleet.
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Originally posted by ClubRacer

Edit; You mention redress but some people aren't willing to protest and some will want to cash in on the series score
ultimately this decision screws the whole series



Are you sure that this action by the RO has any greater effect than all the other times when there was a wind shift and the RO did NOT respond?
Originally posted by ClubRacer

after having another look it looks as if i could protest under 62.1A as per jims comment and it could potentially be abandoned under 64.2
anyone concur? 


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A boat cannot protest the race committee. However, she may request redress

The time you have spent faffing around on the Internet has probably exceeded the reasonable time allowed for the submission of a request for redress.

However, if you politely wrote or emailed the Race Committee, explaining your concerns, they could still abandon the race under rule 32.
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As a race officer though you can respond by abandoning and re-positioning the course or by shortening and running a shorter race.
moving the marks so boat A does 1KM course and boat B does 1.2KM course is just stupid 

This is all hypothetical and did not actually happen. I can see it being an issue for the future so am arming my self so i can speak to the sailing committee to educate RO's for best practice 

And Jim; Moving the mark in a radius around the leeward to create a nice windward leeward course is fine as long as the RO and the people in the ribs are competent to keep and eye and adjust accordingly as to not give any 1 boat an advantage. But this is a little hard to come by and educate for just a small club series.

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Originally posted by ClubRacer


This is all hypothetical and did not actually happen. I can see it being an issue for the future so am arming my self so i can speak to the sailing committee to educate RO's for best practice


If this had been originally initiated as a discussion of good race management, dare I say it, in the Race Management forum, instead of a question about 'protesting', it might have got some more helpful responses sooner.

Originally posted by ClubRacer

moving the marks so boat A does 1KM course and boat B does 1.2KM course is just stupid.

And Jim; Moving the mark in a radius around the leeward to create a nice windward leeward course is fine as long as the RO and the people in the ribs are competent to keep and eye and adjust accordingly as to not give any 1 boat an advantage. But this is a little hard to come by and educate for just a small club series.


I don't think anyone responding here underestimates the difficulty of doing a leg change with a spread out fleet. Yes, it needs an exceptionally good club race management team to bring it off reliably. Yes, for average lap racing, there's a significant risk that a change, even if executed strictly in accordance with rule 33, may provide less fair racing than no change at all.

If your club, as Organising Authority, directed your race committee, under rule 90.1, to not change legs under rule 33, at least for average lap racing, I, for one, wouldn't see anything wrong with that.
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Thanks for the advice

Take a second look at my OP, it was asking directly about what i would put on a protest form. Not how to run races, the topic has just strayed a little from OP
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