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Sam.Spoons 
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ColH
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I think there's a massive difference between using the agreed rules (under which youve implicitly agreed to compete) and, say, claiming a british knight of the realm has hit a mark when he hasn't... Edited by ColH - 06 Jun 17 at 7:03pm |
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Sam.Spoons
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Not in this context though (IMHO)
But he was also renowned for scrupulous honesty on the racecourse which, really, is my point. |
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ColH
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I feel it depends on the context I.e, the type of competition:
Match racing is 'by definition' a one on one duel. ("I don't have a problem with it, the man was a pig" - sorry, watching Hunt For Red October too much!) Team racing, similarly, is all about engineering the whole race to maximise your team's result. Without 'dirty tactics' it would be pretty meaningless and dull. In club racing: it depends why you're there. If its to win a bottle of wine at any cost then be a feisty git ifyouwant. Or do it just for fun (the vast majority of us?) and make friends 
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Presuming Ed
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Don't really see how using the RoW rules to control a competitor to your advantage is any different from hitting a tennis ball to your opponent's weaker side, or bowling the cricket ball in a fashion to try and get him/(her) out/not score runs. Boats in a sailing race interact at far greater angles than in any other form of racing. There aren't lanes, there isn't a motor racing racing line etc. Up to the last couple of ACs, the rules have evolved to reflect what happens on the water rather than vice versa.
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JimC
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Its *very* widely misused though. The great Elvstrom was by no means averse to sportsmanlike gamesmanship and making use of the rules to the limit. Edited by JimC - 06 Jun 17 at 5:47pm |
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Sam S
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Posted: 06 Jun 17 at 5:23pm |
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Love that quote: "You haven't won the race, if in winning the race you have lost the respect of your competitors."
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davidyacht
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The rules are remarkably simple ... it is the application of them that is more confusing.
At the level that they are playing pushing the limits is to be expected, but we see this in any professional sport be it rugby, cycling, tennis, motor racing etc. As one esteemed international judge lectured us at our club; if you know the rules you can make them work for you. The opposite to this is that if you don't know them you are at a distinct disadvantage. Truth is that the rules that are most relevant to most Club and open Meeting sailors, are "port and starboard", "windward boat" and "mark room", without a knowledge of these, chaos would ensue. If you don't know these you probably should not be on the race course. Interestingly, apart from procedure, these are also the main areas of interaction on the LV race course, though things happen a bit faster, and I don't have a protest button in the cockpit of my Solo. Something I find quite alien is the opportunity to speak to the PRO and ask what the course is ... I usually scribble it on the deck! |
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jeffers
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Agreed, if it is someone I know is experienced and knows the rules then fair play (as I know most of my regular competitors will do the same to me in a heartbeat and we then have a chuckle about it afterwards). If it is a less experienced person they get cut far more slack (and help/chat if needed).
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ClubRacer
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Sam S what kind of racing experience do you have?
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