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    Posted: 28 Jul 15 at 9:44am
I have a Phantom for sale if you want to have a go. Message me.
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Hi
I had a grp boat and would not recomend one for someone of your size.
They can be soft and if built down to weight fragile as mine was.
Great boat and will give you a buzz reaching against most boats.
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Epoxy Phantoms started well before S/N 1175 - more like 1100

If you are just wanting to sail (rather than race) an earlier GRP would be ok (less stiff and heavier but much cheaper)

Don't think its a beginners boat - it can be a proper handful when its blowing. But great boats.
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Anything after 1175 or so I believe had reinforced sidedecks, I'd check on the class association website. Also pretty much all the boats after this are epoxy which are much better than the grp ones that preceded then.
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Ok so after a lot of discussions etc I have decided on the phantom, I have read a lot about them and the different masts etc. so last question grp or epoxy, which is stronger? 

There are claims on the phantom website that early epoxy ones crack?
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Ok excellent thanks for all the advice.

So I have almost made my decision which is to go for a phantom, 1 thing I have found is that the early epoxy boats have issues with cracking on the top where you sit, so this worries me as I am 20St?

What is the year of the early epoxy ones?

The other boat that I have not ruled out is the RS Vareo, is this a bit stronger???
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Compared to the others on your list, the Phantom is head and shoulders above for speed and pedigree-feeling.  By no means too stable as you seem to be supposing with "a little flat on the water as I want a thrill too".  You can lay it on one chine for a rest, but just try sailing it dead upright on all points of sailing - you'll have your work cut out!
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I think this can be narrowed down fairly easily. From what you say for me it would be simply between the phantom and the vareo. My experience of the vago singlehanded us that it's a lot of work for not much reward, it feels like you're constantly fighting it. I would imagine the other two rotos are the same just because you can sail them single handed doesn't mean you should. Also I would imagine without racing the solo isn't offering anything that a phantom can't do faster, lighter and without bashing your shins on the cb case.

The other thing to remember is that although your local club won't be racing, there's nothing to stop you taking the boat out on the travellers circuit. I know the phantom has a good scedule of events, not sure on the vareo.

Ultimately though I'd just try both boats (in a few wind strengths) and see what you think. Chances are one will just feel better than the other and your decision is made. The only other suggestion would be a d-one but I appreciate that they ain't cheap and may be a touch quick depending on the size of the water you sail on.

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Well the thing is the last 3 on your list are rotomoulded thermoplastic boats.
This is a different form of construction, used primarily for entry level boats and ones for the less committed racer.
Its main advantages are:

- cheaper mass production
- very resilient to knocks and bumps

The main disadvantages are:-

- tends to be rather heavier, especially for larger boats
- not as stiff, which tends to mean the boat feels a bit less crisp to the experienced sailor

The Solo and the Phantom are full on race boats, and even though the Solo is a rather small and slowish boat of rather elderly design, modern foam sandwich (=glass fibre) ones are the fastest possible slowish elderly design if that makes any sense! Both have been in production for a good many years, which means that there are older cheaper and not as intrinsically fast boats about, including wood as well as plastic ones.

The Vareo is kinda between the two stools. Its not really a full on race boat, but its not entry level either.

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And I've just noticed its one of the lightest, Jesus decisions decisions, anyone else????
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