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    Posted: 10 Jun 15 at 11:04am
With all that gubbins off the bow and stern the Moth is no long really an 11ft dinghy ...


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Neptune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 15 at 11:39am
to be honest in most conditions that Moths sailors want to sail in its barely a dinghy in the traditional sense of the word either
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Perhaps they should migrate to land ... replace foils with wheels ... then you have the same thing ... 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MattK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 15 at 12:42pm
But which boats have the same LOA as there LWL? Plenty of classes have spinnaker poles which extent LOA even when retracted, nearly everyones rudders hang off the back

Would you prefer we rule restrict classes like the old merlins flying kites inside the fore triangle, with cassette rudders like the ICs?  Wink








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The 11ft Moth seems to have about 2ft off the back and the bottom of the wand seems to be about level with the bow so overal that make it about 13ft long.

There are loads of popular dinghys in the 13ft -14ft size is this a naturally sweet length for dinghys?

Also when you look at Moths crashing at speed in rough conditions I some times wonder if having the rear gantry adjustable would help. Adjust it out to make the boat 16ft in rough conditions. Would this make it ride more smoothly?

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I asked about this at one time, and no rule changes were needed for the gantry or bowsprit. Apparently, there is no rule on the size of pintle's and gudgeons, and in a single sailed boat, I don't think it ever came to mind to ban bowsprits.

In a sense I still agree with the OP. It does seem to push the spirit of the rule, but if the actual sailors are happy, what has it to do with me, really. The 14 adding the snout support is similar, and to me, worse shifting of the length rules.

As for overall and waterline length, the Moth has always been an overall hull length. The lwl for a scow Moth is a fair amount less than 11 feet.
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Cherubs have gone the same along with most of the skiff classes.
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I think there is a rule of 30cm for a forward appendage on a Moth. Loads of them have bow sprits to take the wand these days, it's not that new an idea....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JohnJack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 15 at 12:20am
Originally posted by Rupert

I asked about this at one time, and no rule changes were needed for the gantry or bowsprit. Apparently, there is no rule on the size of pintle's and gudgeons, and in a single sailed boat, I don't think it ever came to mind to ban bowsprits.

In a sense I still agree with the OP. It does seem to push the spirit of the rule, but if the actual sailors are happy, what has it to do with me, really. The 14 adding the snout support is similar, and to me, worse shifting of the length rules.

As for overall and waterline length, the Moth has always been an overall hull length. The lwl for a scow Moth is a fair amount less than 11 feet.

Where is the waterline on a foiler??
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