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Clear Astern and Clear Ahead; Overlap One boat is clear astern of another when her hull and equipment in normal position are behind a line abeam from the aftermost point of the other boat’s hull and equipment in normal position. The other boat is clear ahead. They overlap when neither is clear astern. However, they also overlap when a boat between them overlaps both. These terms always apply to boats on the same tack. They do not apply to boats on opposite tacks unless rule 18 applies or both boats are sailing more than ninety degrees from the true wind.

Do remember that if a boat establishes an overlap to leeward from astern is it their proper course and not your proper course that counts so assymetrics sailing a hot angles can still push you up.
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Originally posted by jeffers


Do remember that if a boat establishes an overlap to leeward from astern is it their proper course and not your proper course that counts so assymetrics sailing a hot angles can still push you up.
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isn't there a great video of a miracle demonstrating that at hythe
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Originally posted by Neal_g

isn't there a great video of a miracle demonstrating that at hythe

That wasn't a fast fleet, half a dozen single handers and a Merlin? Nope doesn't count

A dozen boats including laser 4000, Hornet, Tasar, 470, 3 Contenders, RS500, RS100 (10.2)Merlin, all came by on a downwind then upwind fetch, nothing to be done about it, a typical crap Hythe course, not like those proper courses the Miracles get down that lake.. Wink
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Hope you don't mind Jeffers, I've copied your post into the rules thread for more prodding & poking.
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its all about the start really, just trying to get a bit of clear air, to windward of the pack and escapeing the fast boats churned up wind shadow. I take great delight in hammering the start and pushing the miracle around the 1st mark within the first few boats, then just trying to hang one to something near me that has a faster handicap. We often have phantoms, solutions, various asymmetrics and even a couple of cats, for added fun!
the pic below shows the kielder Dam to Dam race - the miracle (us) at the committee boat end of the line finished 3rd overall - having said that most of the cats were on their 2nd cup of tea and had packed their boats up by the time we finished the 10 mile race



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At our little inland water it is always a quick sprint to the first, windward mark. The well sailed Bytes can start well and get there first if they are lucky. The longer they stay ahead the better it will be for them on handicap. On the next long reach the faster boats will barrel through. Best avoid an irrationally sailed Phantom!
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Same at Hunts. the start is key as it is easier to be well up by the windward mark, you can then control the race from near the front. Managed to keep our resident Phantom fleet and the other D-Zero behind me for most of the race (until i retired as things were running late and I had to be home).
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The start is normally always key, but in this latest circumstance the better tactical decision was to start late and let them go. Why?

Because it was none tactical windward course, all fetch and run with a nasty counter tide meaning the ability to sail high was essential, so fast boats overtaking the leading slow boat forced the leader to have to tack rather than fetch the mark, (oh and it was a starboard hander so every fast boat had to be given way to round) so the boat(s) that started late had clear air to the tidal affected mark and made it in one with no impedance to mark rounding.

Not something you could have immediately planned for in your pre race strategic thinking, least I didn't, still interesting even these forty years later, you learn something new....


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Personally I have been first to the mark twice in my 'career'? Once in a Lightning and once in a Solo. The cheer could be heard for many miles!
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