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    Posted: 13 May 15 at 9:08am
Skiff Segeljolle 1201-1
 
 
Built 2006
Length 4,95 m
Width 1,86 m
Weight 120 kg
Sail area 14,7 sqm
Small kite 20 sqm
Big kite 24 sqm
 
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Dutch Hornet?

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I think that's a bit long for a Hornet and the stem angle and forefoot look wrong to me.
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Hi
Is it the Mader two trapeze thing he developed? Sorry cant remember the name.
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The one for the Garda trials? Mach 2, IIRC - (again, IIRC), an FD hull with a new rig, including an assy. 
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Not an FD hull... Maybe the experiment continued?
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The australians have a lightweight 3 person version of the 12m Sharpie i believe? Could easy be wrong but this looks like one of them with an asy rather than the symmetric
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A bit short for that, I think, but there are similarities.
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Originally posted by robin34024

The australians have a lightweight 3 person version of the 12m Sharpie i believe? Could easy be wrong but this looks like one of them with an asy rather than the symmetric
 
Fair call, but this boat is a metre too short, about 40kg(?) too heavy, about two feet too fat, has the wrong rocker, wrong flare and an assy.
 
The fact that this boat can reasonably be mistaken for a Sharpie, though, indicates how far it is from being a "real" "skiff-as-we-know-it".  The Lightweight Sharpie is the antithesis of the traditional Aussie skiff in many ways and yet it's more popular, much more widespread, and arguably much more representative of what could be called the mainstream of Australian dinghy design, which is centred around light boats with small rigs.  To me that was always a strong indication that much of the '90s "skiff fad" was little more than marketing spin - if skiffs cannot dominate in the warm and windy waters of Oz, why would they dominate anywhere else?
 
One of the reasons I dislike sticking the S-word onto half the boats afloat is that it ignores the enormously important influence of the lightweight development dinghy classes on modern dinghy and skiff design. Most of what we call "skiff" elements of design actually came from development dinghy classes with restricted sail area.  Perhaps more importantly, the way the term is used creates the impression that there is only one stream of high performance design, which is a bummer when that stream is the most expensive and inaccessible one.
 
 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 15 at 8:00am
Interesting points 249, you can be a little polar for me sometimes but always informed and considered.

Any images or references for this Northern Hemisphere numpty to peruse? 

The point that high performance doesn't have to mean lots of sail area is a good one. Looking forward to hearing / see more on these lines. 
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