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gordon
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Topic: NoR v SIs Posted: 10 Dec 14 at 9:12am |
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Did passing the mark on one side or the other make a significant difference to the result of the race?
If not, I would suggest that any redress issue be resolved by letting the race results stand. The conclusion - the Race Committee made an improper action that did not significantly worsen any boat's score. |
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 14 at 10:16am | ||
Yes, but you can't get away with that if it's a protest.
In that case the protest committee has to decide which was the correct course and then penalise all validly protested boats that broke rule 28.1. The protest committee might then give redress to those boats, in which case appropriate redress would be to to reinstate them with scores n+1, n+2 etc where n is the number of boats that finished correctly. That way everyone gets a score, those boats that sailed correctly score better than those that did not.
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gordon
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 14 at 10:26am | ||
I agree up to a point.
1. It is possible (but unlikely) to decide that both courses were correct. In which case no boat broke rule 28. 2. Redress does not have to be as you propose. It could be to score boats in their finishing order (after calculating corrected time if it is a handicap race). |
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 14 at 10:47am | ||
OK, but if the protest committee does decide that there was a right side and a wrong side, I have difficulty scoring a boat that broke a rule with a better score than a boat that did not break a rule.
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Medway Maniac
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 14 at 5:37pm | ||
It didn't make any difference to your elapsed time whichever side of the mark you passed.
I presumed at the time that the SI's would have taken precedence, but that anyone disqualified as a result could and should have asked for redress. As for the outcome of the request, I think the interchange between Brass and Gordon shows it would have been in the lap of the gods (if that's not elevating our commenters too highly). Frankly though, anyone awarded n+1 etc would imho have been entitled to feel extremely pee'd off after a 26 mile dinghy race. One lesson we might all learn is to treat any course detailed in the NOR as not worth the paper it is written on, and accept the necessity of headless-chicken mode on the morning of the race. |
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sargesail
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 14 at 10:47pm | ||
Given that it was as likely to be luck as judgement that made one lot finish correctly and one incorrectly in those circumstances, like MM I'd feel pretty aggrieved at redress on an N+1 basis!
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 14 at 11:54pm | ||
How aggreived would you be if you protested a boat, she was found to have broken rule 28 and still placed ahead of you?
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Medway Maniac
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 11 Dec 14 at 5:03am | ||
Not at all if the correct course was ambiguous and indeed immaterial to the elapsed time, and the boat had clearly sailed better than me.
In fact, I'd be embarrassed to beat a faster boat on a technicality. |
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 11 Dec 14 at 5:50am | ||
Isn't it vaguely analogous to case 45?
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sargesail
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 11 Dec 14 at 7:05am | ||
That was my take too Jim. And no I wouldn't object Brass.
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