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kneewrecker
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Topic: How I learned to forget bandits & enjoy fair play Posted: 28 Nov 14 at 2:43pm |
glad to see that in the four years since its launch, the RS100 has finally put to bed the quiet discontent over PYs and rig sizes.
The class has effectively made themselves one-design- so a few folks have a legacy 'big' sail for light winds... sorry boys, but until those folks stop using them, then your 'average' PY ought to reflect what is actually happening with your class, singular. Well done Great Lakes - looks absolutely right to me. |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 Nov 14 at 4:12pm |
So, genuine question. Is the 100 a single class now with one PY, or is it as it always was - two classes with 2 PY.
With regards the PYAG, I respect the work they do greatly. But the process need not, should not, stop at the number crunching. Why can't these purely data based numbers the be passed to a committee of grey beards to approve or modify. Not on subjective taste but PY should be a forecast for the next year, not a record of the previous one. So if the I14s take some lead out, or Merlin's use a longer kite pole, or Blazes switch to a carbon mast, or 200s adopt a square head mainsail why not be proactive and set an adjustment when the rule change occurs. An estimated change is better than no change at all. But well done GRF for organising the briefing and Bas for actually entering the lion' den! |
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 Nov 14 at 5:06pm |
What!! And you don't think that's just an incy wincy bit of a massive conflict of interest? Given your admission you penalise new classes deliberately. Which I pointed out to Bas last night and he denied. Plausible deniability, but makes your position untenable in this argument don't you think? |
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blaze720
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 Nov 14 at 5:54pm |
I think IGRF may be thinking that 'Sailracer' 'Sailjuice' and 'Great
Lakes' are in some way one and the same thing in whole or in part. Well that's how I see it anyway ! Someone
correct me if wrong ... The GL approach has got Icon closer to a reasonable handicap number ... and relatively quickly imo (2-3 years). Answer for new classes ? – Race at your clubs, race in the major handicaps, accept in the short term an (inevitable) tough number ... it can and will change. Today my club races Icon off 990, last year its GL number was 1000.. this year this was adjusted slightly because of the issuing of an EN figure of 969. So this year the GL number is also 990... in time I expect the ‘official’ EN/PN to be somewhere between 990 and 1000 as well (and certainly not the current 969 !). It is not a major problem anyway if our clubs make the changes they should do anyway and most, if not all, of our ‘away’ handicap racing is under the GL approach. Anyway Friday now ...
Blessed relief. Time to forget
all this B*****s and get back into Icon sorting mode after a long enforced
gap... Starting this Sunday I also need to remember to talk to a crew (remember
‘nicely’) and not crash tack etc without giving notice. Now
that is much more important. If you can do something similar ! Mike L. |
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fab100
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 Nov 14 at 6:07pm |
Is it? Although I confess to not understanding how its the SailJuice Series but "Great Lakes" get the woes over yardsticks. Who writes the SIs? According to the RYA, it is two classes - it lists 2 PNs one for each rig. And that's pretty much how the class rules go too, rightly or wrongly (and to give James something to stir about at every opportunity) Does a Laser radial sail off the same as a standard rig? If the 8.4 had been given the standard number (and I was that bothered about the series) I'd have used the 8.4 last week (and likely my result would have been worse) The stats/system says the 8.4 sails to 1000. Would anyone else in the fleet want to give up 12 points for an admin issue? Just sayin' PS No hibernation, I only stop sailing in the winter if the pond freezes, but true I tend not to travel much
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fab100
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 Nov 14 at 6:08pm |
Crossed in the post Mike. Thanks.
And well done last Sunday
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Simon Lovesey
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 Nov 14 at 6:19pm |
Spot on and also think that the handling of new designs need to be improved Edited by Simon Lovesey - 28 Nov 14 at 9:59pm |
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 Nov 14 at 10:50pm |
They are talking of introducing personal handicap dual scoring next year, he also indicated that they do have a windspeed formula in the system but the feeling is that it would be pretty impossible to use, where would you set it, given the humber of events where the wind starts of at one point and finishes at another and where do you measure it? |
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Medway Maniac
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 28 Nov 14 at 11:00pm |
... and who dares to measure/determine it?!
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