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Well we'll have to beg to differ and being a consummate conspiracy theorist as well as paranoid, I know they are out to get me.

Lets look at my case, the EPS still at 1024? The Alto now at 9012, the Icon 969? I then decide to buy the Punk it's listed at 1010.. Even had I gone Aero, that's also at 1010.

So we have the Laser 3000 a planing three sail trap hull at 1058 the Laser still going skywards in their efforts to drag them out of the nettles and it's not screwed up? I'm glad you're happy, doesn't help me though does it?
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Realistically the EPS number ain't gonna move much 'cos there ain't many being used. Likewise the Alto. Ditto the 3k, Icon etc. Its a stats based system... And, for the sake of argument, if a 3k is sailed on RTC courses it won't perform to its potential, thus artificially inflating the PY. As always - the sailor is much more important a factor than the PY.
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Well that is also nonsense there were more EPS stats registered than the Alto, Icon, the Aero, the Punk etc, it's just not on anyones radar. The system is flawed with human nature..

Bring on SBRHS...
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Graeme before you get too wound up about local handicap adjustments for events you don't plan to attend, it's worth noting 1035 was being used at a club race earlier this week and 1044 is going to be used at the Lord Birkett (iirc).

None of these numbers are endorsed in any way by the RYA or Devoti.

To me, that sounds like the system is working.... 
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The eps's sailing at Whitefriars seem to do pretty well off 1024. In fact, given that they used to be rather nearer 1000, I'd say the handicap is a bit of a bandit when the wind is between force 2 and 4- ie, exactly when sailing is most enjoyable. In V light stuff, the low freeboard and wings stop the boat when tacking, and it does seem to become a bit too frisky when the wind picks up.

I was surprised there was enough data to make the decision to up it to 1024, so it must be on someone's radar.

As for the Zero or Aero, if the trial number that one event is going to give a boat is enough to stop someone buying it, you have to wonder either about the commitment the person has to the boat or their motives for getting the boat in the first place.

And the Icon looks like it is winning things off 969 - lets hope that others sailing the boat are not doing so well, or the number will drop again, and we will have to listen to people crying all over again.
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Originally posted by Rupert


As for the Zero or Aero, if the trial number that one event is going to give a boat is enough to stop someone buying it, you have to wonder either about the commitment the person has to the boat or their motives for getting the boat in the first place.


Nail on the head, right there
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The problem would be solved if they simply banned sailing on freshwater .
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I'm sure it would. But shouldn't the extra support of salt water make a low volume hull like the EPS faster on the sea?

Or aren't there enough bubbles in the hull?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kneewrecker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jul 14 at 5:04pm
I think Graeme's gone for the wrong one... if the Aero floats and bounces, as opposed to slices upwind, then surely the lee bow effect would be amplified?
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I'm just amazed he didn't go for the Aero simply for the name.
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