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AlexM
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Topic: Inner & Outer distance marks Posted: 20 Jun 14 at 1:58pm |
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Just reading the senior travllers report on the front page and just wanted to clarify what is allowed when inner and outer distance marks for a start line are actualy below the line.
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jun 14 at 2:16pm | ||
It will probably depend on exactly what's in the Sis about how the distance mark(s) are to work.
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AlexM
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jun 14 at 2:24pm | ||
An example:
The starting line will be a transit formed by a black and white pole on the shore in front of the race control box and a pole showing yellow triangle mounted on the front of the race control box. Inner and outer distance of the line will be bounded by white buoys inner (I) middle (M) or Outer (O). |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jun 14 at 2:36pm | ||
If you can get round the mark without crossing the startline, then I think you are OK, but as it says, I don't think you can go back below the OD or over the line without then having to go back round the outer distance mark. I guess the same applies at the inner, if there is space.
Pretty poor course setting to leave that much of a gap. |
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jun 14 at 3:19pm | ||
Sorry, I can't visualise the situation described on the mythical front page. Here are some relevant references. Race Management Manual
RYA Appeal 2004/9
Q&A 2010-033 (Lapsed)
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andymck
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jun 14 at 3:29pm | ||
Brass gets there again. 2 boat length example, I have used to my advantage before. I have only ever seen this as an issue on a shore based start. On a committee boat a rope as described puts people off, but have seen the blue and cyan examples pulled off
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gordon
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jun 14 at 4:43pm | ||
The RYA reccomend the following SI:
'When a buoy is laid near the committee boat it is a starting limit mark that shall be left on the same side as the nearby committee boat.' This means that the buoy is a mark as defined in RRS. |
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jun 14 at 11:31pm | ||
Does it help to add 'Boats shall not pass between the mark and the committee vessel'?
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gordon
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jun 14 at 8:25am | ||
The problem does not usually arise when boats are approaching the line to startas they have to pass both committee boat and inner limit mark on the same side. As the inner limit mark is a starting mark the RC will consider any boat passing the wrong side of the inner limit mark as DNS
Should the race committee wish to prevent boats coming between the mark and the committee boat at other times then they can add an additional SI. However, they would have to protest any boats that break the SI you propose - which I find race officers are often reluctant to do. |
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alstorer
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jun 14 at 1:36pm | ||
A recent event I was at had no IDM but did have in the SIs that touching the committee boat would be grounds for instant disqualification with no hearing.
Is this SI compliant with the RRS? |
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