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In the future if you want to bring your topic to the top again, just bump it. Repeating posts is likely to put people off replying if anything

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k, well i can tell you that the 59er is a well good boat for little to no breeze, being about 10mins in from of its handicap after an hour (based on persuit race results).

it is a realy nice bit of kit but i must say that i wouldnt go near it in any wind - being vaugly light weight and all. but i have seen people have a great time on these boats out in minorca. But had to spend a long time picking them up  out of the water as soon as the breeze kicked in.

and i have also been slightly dubious about going near one since a certain incident - lol - long story.  ask sumo....

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had a sail in one-.

The mast is gust responsive (automatic rig) with a design wind of 11knts for a crew of 150kg plus! So needs some hefty depowering despite a fancy mast response ( see bethwaite.com for a review of how these have been arrived at which is a good weeed)


It was broken wind, but it was more forgiving than I expected- staggering if caught up wind and needing some assertive helm off. Cunningham is hard to use but good for depowering, and kicker is a bit underpurchased .

But for a sit on boat, truly something- quite easy up hill and a lot of apparent wind digging offwind. A whole lot deeper, faster and lower sheet loads than RS400s I used to sail. But then the 59er is a light skiff and not a merlin with a bowsprit.

I just wonder if there is a long term growth in the market for non trapeze skiff sailing and what crew I would muster to keep it upright.



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The only problem I see with this boat is that it has been marketed as "easy" skiff sailing. It is easier than a 49er but not a boat that 2 novices could buy and learn to sail in. A lot of people after they have progressed through the slower sailing classes perceive a hiking boat as boring. Believe me it isn't, but that is a problem - the people that could sail it well think they need something with a trap and the people with less experience can't sail it.

The other problem I have had is finding a crew that is up for it. Whilst you can manage with a novice it is hard work getting them to do the right things as any minor errors are "punished".

That is the major reason that I am going down the singlehanded skiff road (The Swift Solo) I'm not sure that I am going to be able to bring myself to sell the 59er though - It is a great fun boat.  

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There's nothing easy about sailing a 59er unless it's a force 2 and flat water. The initial marketing slant was that if you bought one you weren't upto the job of sailing anything else, and quite possibly an old git! For some reason that put people off.  We bought our three years ago and it has been cheap to run, Ovington builds are superb, and given a tremendous amount of pleasure Having previously had an 800 for two years, we felt the RS400 too pedestrian in average wind conditions. As a crew it's fairly simple having a self tacker, but you do need bloody strong legs! My only disappointment is that residuals aren't strong, and if you do want to sell it takes time, unless you give it away. But what price can you put on three years enjoyable sailing? Earlier this year Pete Vincent told me what wonderful boat it was, maybe an RS59er would have sold in greater numbers!

 

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I have been sailing the 59er over the last 3 years in Minorca and found it to be a fabulous craft.  The sailing sensation is one of speed, but without the noise!  There is virtually no slapping of water on the hull, the sheet loads are low becuase the hull is so light and easily driven.

Downwind the speed in remarkable and exciting, and very stable whilst moving - however in extremely light winds keeping the boat balanced needs careful attention.

The 59er carries weight very well - we regularly sail with a combined crew weight of 28 stone - whaterver that is in kilos - and do well on the water against all other assymetrics including 800s/4000s/400's - and even better on handicap.

The biggest question is why there aren't more of them about..!

 

 

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I wouldn't have responded but for isis's  encouragement above.

I'm a fat ole git and the thought of 59ers had briefly flitted across the mind , but on reflection they looked like hard work , the picture that ran in an advert for one in Y & Y's classified section fra while sealed the biscuit when I saw HOW hard you have to hike , for fit young ones that.

But I've bin spoilt with number of hulls and a nice comfy trapeze !

They look incredibly well made - as all ovi boats are and sexy looking too , I'm suprised - dare I say it that a couple of lighter weights haven't bought one and stuck a trapeze on it , now there would be something !

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Ive gotta agree with swiftsolo.org. Its the marketing of this boat that will tell. The potential market is for experienced sailors, who by definition have sailed lots of other boats and can afford to be critical. This area is already crowded with designs and while it certainly has speed as its selling point, thats never going to be enough as experience also teaches these sailors that the fun in sailing is not from speed but competition........ if if was about speed we would all sail hydrofoiling cats or some such.

Another downside is it isn't going to be as cheap initially as an established class and without a garanteed good resale value buyers need to believe in the class with real conviction.

I love the look, the concept and the way its going and I wish the 59er the best for the future but this cynic, doesn't have much hope for its future. I hope I will be proved wrong.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote swiftsolo.org Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Nov 05 at 10:13pm

I'm a fat ole git and the thought of 59ers had briefly flitted across the mind , but on reflection they looked like hard work , the picture that ran in an advert for one in Y & Y's classified section fra while sealed the biscuit when I saw HOW hard you have to hike , for fit young ones that

You actually don't have to hike hard to make them go. I should know as I fit into the fat old git category as well. The deck shape is also really comfortable for hiking as well - much better than the laser I sailed years ago.

The lack of trapeze means the upwind speed is modest but downwind speed is awesome on them. The other weekend when it was about 20knots we were closing in an F18 cat downwind! 

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Well sounds like Ovi's and bethwaites should think about the marketing. suggest an adult high performance skill development boat ( Frank Bethwaite sails three up to teach- not bad for an 83 year old- see above) and an alternative to both the RS400 or the 505

there aren't actually too many boats in the skiff arena for heavy weights. The 505 is great, but a new one costs a packet and you need a fairly clued up crew. How would an rs 400 go with 190kg all up crew?

I am in two minds (if not three) as for the 59er , RS400 or 505. I'll do a thread on this some other time

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