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Rupert
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Topic: Too Many Classes? Posted: 23 Feb 14 at 9:44pm |
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Fast boats are rubbish, too hard to sail, too complicated have to spend all your time practicing, be in the industry, be a sailing god...
Yes, we have had all those views and more on here. Often from the same person, though. Of course fast boats will have a smaller catchment - they do need committment, and skill, to sail. Some people have both, and enjoy the capsizing as well, however, and I for one tip my hat to you all. |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 Feb 14 at 10:20pm | |
Well I've often said that fast boats don't seem to be nearly as popular as they used to be, and drawn from that the conclusion that fast boats are unlikely to be the "future of sailing". Anyone who draws conclusions from that about what boats I personally like needs to take a quick look at my profile.
Its just that one thing I've learned over the years is that very few things I am personally enthusiastic about seem to be popular with the mass market, so using my own preferences as a guide to where the mass market might go is quite futile. Edited by JimC - 23 Feb 14 at 10:22pm |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 Feb 14 at 10:25pm | |
What is regarded as a fast boat is now faster and harder to sail than a fast boat was 30 years ago. Then, a Fireball was fast, Now, I read reports where they were in the medium handicap. Maybe fast boats lose out because people who want a fast boat will no longer bother looking at boats like the Fireball, which would be within their skill set, as the perception is that they are "slow"? Then they find they can't sail the whizz bang 3000, so go and buy a jet ski instead?
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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yellowwelly
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 Feb 14 at 11:12pm | |
Fast boats are great fun, I'm just not convinced they make good club racing choices. And given the cost, I find windsurfing more accessible for high performance sailing, but that's just me.
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 Feb 14 at 11:53pm | |
FTFY |
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Chris 249
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 24 Feb 14 at 12:06am | |
PY listings of some local keel ODs from the '62 YA yearbook, with a few other classes thrown in for comparison. Figures in bracket are the dacron sail PYs, others are for cotton. My list of local classes is in storage (I hope) so I may have misidentified some. National Flying 15 = (89) 90 Int Dragon = 90 Int Star = 83 Int 14 = (88) 89 Nat Merlin Rocket = (91) 96 Nat 12 = (98) 103 YW Solo = (102) 103 Nat Enterprise = (98) 103 FD =(79) National Swallow = 91 Solent SUnbeam = 92 Gt Yarmouth OD = 92 Broads OD, Spitfire, Waveney, Horning REbel OD, Yare and Bure OD all =94 Folkboat (stripped) = 95 Tumlaren = 95 Atlanta = 95 Liverpool Bay Falcon = 96 SCOD = (94) X Class, Essex OD, TEOD all = 100 WOrthing OD = 103 Victory OD = (100) 103 Benfleet OD, Royal Harwich OD, St Mawes OD, Weymouth Falcon OD, Emsworth OD bermudan, Loch Long OD all = 107. Enterprise cruising rig = (105) 108 - what happened to it? Salcombe Restricted Yawl = (104) 108 No Seabird Half Rater number to be found. EDIT - found my '61 and '64 yardsticks, so here's some more local keelboat (IIRC) figures Daring = (90) 22 sq metre = 89 30 sq Metre Windfall = 85 Coronation = 107 Seabird Half Rater = 110 Menai Straits OD = 110 Pleiad and Wivenhoe OD = 109 Scimitar = (97) 5.5 Metre (84) Reedling (90) Essex OD (95) 100 Also to further back up Jim's point, the books these came from also contain info on designs that (AFAIK) never even got PYs, such as the YW Explorer, Poole AB, Kombi, Flying Tern, PI, Tricorn, Peregrine, Top 10, Cob, Tempo, Seadog. There were lots and lots of new designs in those days but there were also lots and lots of boats being built around the world. Many classes were growing at the rate of 1000 boats per year. Edited by Chris 249 - 24 Feb 14 at 12:47am |
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yellowwelly
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 24 Feb 14 at 8:52am | |
there's some truth in that- the most popular group within our fast handicap class is the Dart 15... so not only a cat, but a cheap, crap cat at that.
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pondlife1736
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 24 Feb 14 at 9:28am | |
there's some truth in that- the most popular group within our fast handicap class is the Dart 15... so not only a cat, but a cheap, crap cat at that. [/QUOTE]
Ouch !! That hurt! Seriously though, most cats are too big and fast for our pond. Didn't notice any 'high performance' boats out with us yesterday, either. At least the Darts gave it a try.
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 24 Feb 14 at 9:38am | |
Cats - Jet Ski's, basically the same thing.
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Presuming Ed
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 24 Feb 14 at 10:23am | |
Plus others not mentioned: Mermaids, Redwings, Yorkshire ODs, Conway Fife OD, Windemere 17 (not OD), Troys, Yarmouth (IoW) Y boats Fairy etc. Some pretty long-standing survivors there. |
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