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Originally posted by turnturtle

I've genuinely got no idea on sales numbers for either...

In the PY table races list the Aero 7 is 8th with 5536 recorded, the D-Zero 12th with 2720, and the Aero 9 15th with 2607. All 3 Aeros combined would be 8848, enough to put the class 4th in the list a bit behind the Laser Radial (9947) but well ahead of the RS200 (5954).

I'd say the D-Zero has done well enough, but the Aero has been a spectacular success. I imagine that the determination of the Laser builder and CA to wage civil war hasn't done the alternatives any harm.
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Way off-topic, but it's certainly got the forum going again  Smile
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† It is interesting also that the Restart Sailing FB group was where RYA representation and discussion was held - not Y&Y Forum


Exactly, and exactly why it'll go nowhere with the same old class & commercial vested interests doing the same old self destruction.

I highly doubt they will miss you, or care† ;-)


Why pray would they miss me when I've never even considered joining their sad and sorry gathering? The fact they don't care about folk like me is exactly why the system is melting down. Whereas the world populated by said folk is booming currently.
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Buying and selling on 'that' facebook group is a farce
Exact equivalent of the old newspaper classifieds, isn't it?  But yes, I've found Marketplace terrible for no-shows - best kept for purely local stuff.

And yes, FB is handy for the stuff you mention. I'd have lost touch with lots of old colleagues without it - we have no need to communicate, but it's nice know how they're doing.
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  It is interesting also that the Restart Sailing FB group was where RYA representation and discussion was held - not Y&Y Forum


Exactly, and exactly why it'll go nowhere with the same old class & commercial vested interests doing the same old self destruction.

I highly doubt they will miss you, or care  ;-)
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† It is interesting also that the Restart Sailing FB group was where RYA representation and discussion was held - not Y&Y Forum


Exactly, and exactly why it'll go nowhere with the same old class & commercial vested interests doing the same old self destruction.

Edited by iGRF - 12 Aug 20 at 9:27am
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Buying and selling on 'that' facebook group is a farce, no protection, no comeback, facebook market place other than for local 'dross' is lethal. It had me driving up to the wilds of Essex with the cash to buy a bloody Contender only for a no show, waste of time and money. Facebook has lots of plus points for catch ups, banter, lost kit in watersports groups, keeping in touch with old friends and colleagues, but for buying and selling, five times more irritating than ebay with none of the security and don't even start me on the Chinese & US product con artists.
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Whether you like FB or not, or other social media platforms, really is irrelevant. It is where many more eyeballs hang out compared to website forums. The Restart Sailing group on FB has garnered many more sailing people than on this forum for sure. If you want eyeballs, and discussion, Social Media is where most people go.  It is interesting also that the Restart Sailing FB group was where RYA representation and discussion was held - not Y&Y Forum

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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 20 at 8:06am
As for this thread - interesting reading - I wonder what would have happened if the D-Zero and the RS Aero had run a few joint events under an umbrella tour?  Neither class seem to be very headline grabbing after the initial phase of enthusiasm.

I've genuinely got no idea on sales numbers for either.... both look to have the distinct advantages / points of difference, but I can't see that affecting the performance over a beer-can level, scratch race amongst warm and welcoming fellow sailors.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 20 at 7:59am
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Absolutely not progress.  FB leads to the same questions being asked over and over as there's no historical search possibility.

I'm on both a forum and FB for my car, and the FB posts are decidedly more moronic.

Agreed, however it seems the way of the world now. Never will you see a 6 year old thread reappear on Facebook. Where as on a forum you can search. Forums can build a huge and useful knowledge base. But these days people need their social media fix. 

There's a growing trend to dunp Facebook - for numerous reasons: privacy, democratic interference, the fact that it's really 'not cool' among under 30s - it's for Grannies and Karens (no offence meant to the resident OK junkie). I guess they hook them via whatsapp and insta instead.... although the latter needs to have some serious questions to answer about its pervasive effect on mental health - especially among young women.

TBH - the only reason I still have 'The Facebook' is because of the buying and selling group Ruscoe and I set up years ago.... purely off the back of this forum.  Although Jeffers and Nessa do most of the admin these days as I rarely log on and Russ is too busy with his bikes.  We've got over 30,000 members on that now.... it must be one of the largest 'dinghy' groups on Facebook, certainly from a UK-centric perspective.

If you want a halfway house in dumping Facebook, but still need an account for practical reasons, then I can highly recommend starting a new profile with ZERO 'friends' and no brand/page likes.  It totally f**ks with the advertising algorithms and you get some right interesting friends suggestions as it tries to profile you.

The biggest advantage is you don't get those awkward moments when Billy from your Year 9 Airfix Club shares a Tommy Robinson video.... and as we're coming up to September, it's great to know I won't be subjected to those damn school uniform photos.  
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