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JimC
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Topic: *Continuing* Obstruction Posted: 07 Jan 14 at 8:50am |
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No, the moving vessel is never a continuing obstruction. However if you are close enough to a moving supertanker for RRS to come into play I submit that the fine detail of the rules is the least of your problems.
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jan 14 at 9:47am | |
"The distinction made is between an
object that continues in space, and an object, such as another boat
racing with right of way, which is not continuously large, but may,
because of its movement, continue to be an obstruction for some
considerable time."
I mis read this the first time round - Thanks Jim, it is as I originally thought. |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jan 14 at 9:49am | |
And yes, having been near container ships with apparantly on one on board, I'd have to agree about RRS being low on the priority list.
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RS400atC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jan 14 at 11:23am | |
So does a 1km long exclusion zone in front of a tanker rank as a continuing obstruction?
Would your obligation not to impede some vessels under IRPCS create a continuing obstruction? If the shore is a continuing obstruction, how big does the Island have to be? A solitary rock, which you might reasonably pass either side of is presumably not 'continuing'. But if you have opted to pass one side of a shallow patch that is say 100m long, that could be 'continuiing'? |
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Brass
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RS400atC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jan 14 at 1:10pm | |
I really fail to understand that a very long vessel underway is not sometimes a continuing obstruction.
It seems to me that such a vessel can obstruct a continuous area or create a continuous boundary, that is possibly much longer than bits of land that clearly do get treated as continuous under RRS. Imagine two lasers running down the edge of a deepwater channel with a ship in the channel. I would expect the other laser to treat the ship and the area in front of it much the same as if it was a wall. |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jan 14 at 1:52pm | |
The Laser closer to the ship would have rights to avoid a moving obstruction, rather than a continuing one. In such situations I don't think it makes any difference, really - you'd still need to allow the boat room not to ram the whacking great ship, whatever kind of ostruction it is.
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Presuming Ed
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jan 14 at 2:48pm | |
Last sentence of the definition of obstruction. "A vessel under way,including a boat racing, is never a continuing obstruction." & from the terminology: "‘vessel’ means any boat or ship."
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jan 14 at 9:55pm | |
Maybe the reason for this is that it is not desirable, when near a large moving ship, to be relieving the outside boat of the obligation to give room at the last minute dependent on whether there is 'enough room' for the inside boat to pass between the outside boat and the ship under rule 19.2( c ).
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RS400atC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jan 14 at 10:17pm | |
Yes, I'd just re-read the rules and came to the conclusion that is the only effect of it. Maybe 'continuing obstruction' should be in itallics, as it is effectively a defined term. |
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