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    Posted: 05 Dec 13 at 12:11pm
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Originally posted by gordon1277

For clarification the dart was not supposed to be on our course as he should be Fast Handicap but we were quite happy for him to join in while he learnt but not for him to slow us all down while trying to stay clear and not realise he is doing it. Trying to get through the lee of a cat in a Phantom or 2000 is not easy.
Hence the quiet word.

Actually, it sounds like this situation was dealt with amicably and sensibly.  It is all too easy in these situations to build up an innocent mis-understanding into one involving confrontation and argument which benefits no-one (other than this forum of course which would be starved without a bit of confrontation and argument!)


Agreed, my point was valid (IMO) but only based on a few of the facts.  Thanks for the clarification.
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Originally posted by gordon1277

For clarification the dart was not supposed to be on our course as he should be Fast Handicap but we were quite happy for him to join in while he learnt but not for him to slow us all down while trying to stay clear and not realise he is doing it. Trying to get through the lee of a cat in a Phantom or 2000 is not easy.
Hence the quiet word.

Actually, it sounds like this situation was dealt with amicably and sensibly.  It is all too easy in these situations to build up an innocent mis-understanding into one involving confrontation and argument which benefits no-one (other than this forum of course which would be starved without a bit of confrontation and argument!)

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For clarification the dart was not supposed to be on our course as he should be Fast Handicap but we were quite happy for him to join in while he learnt but not for him to slow us all down while trying to stay clear and not realise he is doing it. Trying to get through the lee of a cat in a Phantom or 2000 is not easy.
Hence the quiet word.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Back in the day, the old boy sailors would sit there smoking their pipes, shouting starboard when on port, no intention of getting out of the way, knowing full well that their buddies on a protest committee would never kick them out, and actually knowing full well that no one would try, as it would mean social death in the club. At least these days the lack of protests is due to apathy, rather than the old boy network. Or is it just because Whitefriars has only been around from 1969, not 1885?

That said it caused a bit of a shock when in about 1992 I submitted the first protest at WSC for a very long time on one of the Trophy Days.  It shocked the protestee even more when he was DSQ for tacking in my water....wonder if that was the last one to happen there?  But the Club handled it really well....given the lack of corporate memory of running a PC!
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Originally posted by Rupert

Back in the day, the old boy sailors would sit there smoking their pipes, shouting starboard when on port, no intention of getting out of the way, knowing full well that their buddies on a protest committee would never kick them out, and actually knowing full well that no one would try, as it would mean social death in the club. At least these days the lack of protests is due to apathy, rather than the old boy network. Or is it just because Whitefriars has only been around from 1969, not 1885?

Funny enough, that's exactly what happened to me the first time I sailed at m.w.y.c. in 1999! The gentleman and I still have a laugh over it now over the bar. ( he is now 95 and only stopped sailing five years ago. :) )
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Originally posted by Blue One

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Yep it's what we do week in week out in our series races and the sailors keep coming back for more.

Our one day regattas tend to be "normal" PY races and because of their infrequence the mass starts, counting of laps and crossing of finishing lines always confuses the hell out of a number of competitors.
   
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Back in the day, the old boy sailors would sit there smoking their pipes, shouting starboard when on port, no intention of getting out of the way, knowing full well that their buddies on a protest committee would never kick them out, and actually knowing full well that no one would try, as it would mean social death in the club. At least these days the lack of protests is due to apathy, rather than the old boy network. Or is it just because Whitefriars has only been around from 1969, not 1885?
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Originally posted by JimC



What is never forgivable is shouting at an inexperienced competitor to tell them to get out of your way when there's nothing wrong with what they are doing rules wise.

Yes. Absolutely agree.
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Originally posted by Kev M

Originally posted by JimC

[QUOTE=craiggo] 
And of course if someone attempts to deliberately mislead an inexperienced competitor as to what their rights are in a situation that's a rule 2 DND, and possibly a RRS69 hearing as well (see casebook).

Does that include shouting PORT at people on starboard in the hope they don't know it's their right of way and then they tack off?

I have on occasion shouted starboard when on port, but that was more a function of age and confusion that a deliberate attempt to mislead....
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Originally posted by JimC

[QUOTE=craiggo] 
And of course if someone attempts to deliberately mislead an inexperienced competitor as to what their rights are in a situation that's a rule 2 DND, and possibly a RRS69 hearing as well (see casebook).

Does that include shouting PORT at people on starboard in the hope they don't know it's their right of way and then they tack off?
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