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Medway Maniac
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Topic: K2; can a dinghy have a keel? Posted: 07 May 14 at 9:12pm |
We did hit a Dragon in the Wayfarer once, our fault.
Nasty gunwale damage on the W., but I don't think the Dragon even noticed. Just span us round and sailed on, I was going to say much as Godfrey in Dad's Army might have, but actually, Dragon sailors aren't like that at all in my experience - b*st*rds!
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NickA
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 May 14 at 8:28pm |
Hit a dragon and you'd want to make sure it wasn't your fault!
GRP = £48,000 GRP with teak inlays= £56,000 GRP with wooden deck = £65,000 Cold Moulded = you need to ask sir? Happily we don't have such things in the cold and poverty stricken North. We do have 24ft cruisers, but, they're so slow you just sail around them. |
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Javelin 558
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Medway Maniac
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 May 14 at 10:54am |
Try sailing on waters frequented by Dragons and cruisers - a Tempest is small fry, while a K2 would be a pussy, by comparison - it’s only 3/4 the weight of a Wayfarer!
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Do Different
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 06 May 14 at 7:27am |
Nick A has a good point @ 6.50. Most dangerous boat........................
There is an unforeseen consequence of ballasted and some multihulls that are seen as safe options. Some inexperienced people get them and then because they see them as safe sail them in conditions that are way beyond their competence. The result being a boat roaring about being a danger to others and then if it does eventually go wrong it goes wrong big style. A "normal" dinghy is to an extent self limiting in that the higher performance and the stronger the wind the sooner they fall over. This "saves" those lacking in competence by making them wary to go out or encouraging them the retire early in difficult conditions. An alternative view and perhaps I am slightly bigoted due to being hit more than once by out of control examples and had to rescue the same. |
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Medway Maniac
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 May 14 at 11:23pm |
The Tempest is a big man’s boat, and I suspect that the K2 will prove to be likewise.
My hope for the K3 was something much lighter than the Tempest, racier-looking than the K2, that could be competitive with a 120kg crew. I’m dreaming, of course... |
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Bootscooter
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 May 14 at 6:52pm |
Haha, yes there is that.
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NickA
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 May 14 at 6:50pm |
Officially the "most dangerous boat on the lake" at my club - being fast, very heavy and happy to carry on sailing when everyone has fallen out! In my laser days I had one swipe my stern, ripping the bridle clean off the boat. I don't think it even slowed down!
Presumably Medway's proposed K-3 would be a tad lighter.
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Javelin 558
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Bootscooter
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 May 14 at 6:45pm |
I had a tempest for a while - awesome beast
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NickA
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 May 14 at 6:39pm |
.... a Tempest you mean? Even on one of those, a bit of hiking seems to help! As to whether a K1, K2, K6 is a dinghy ... well the K6's at my place have been capzising a lot recently (though they do pop back up again unaided). For some reason Flying 15s, Tempests, k1s and K6s are "dinghys" at our club whereas Hawk 20's and international 2.4m class are "cruisers" and race on a different day. I have no idea why.
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Javelin 558
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Navman
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 May 14 at 6:29pm |
I'm revising my view on whether the boat should be upright to sail best upwind. I'm going to talk to Paul and Jeff to see what they say. I suspect the boat may point higher if we let it heel . The K1 sailing guide specifically says that heeled to the gunwhale will be fastest in sttrong winds k2? I'll tell you what advoce im given
We had an interesting race today in 18-24 mph winds. Upwind performance was mediocre but downwind,and reaching were highly satisfying. Our crew weight was helm 105kg, crew 65kg. Stability-wise we had less problems than an RS200 and seemed to be on a par with a Wayfarer. The second race was cancelled - probably due to too much wind. However I would have gone out again.
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