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    Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 11:59am
http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/171121/Contender-worlds-at-Lake-Como-summary

Does not look right; the guy in 2nd scores better or equal results in all but one race and loses ...

I know there was a qualification process and the weather cut the series short but it just does not look like the right bloke won ...
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It was a difficult scoring system which we wanted to avoid explaining in the report but basically If we had completed 8 races we would have achieved 2 discards; only 1 of which could be used in the gold/sliver fleet races(due to these races being more critical).

As we only achieved 1 discard it had to be used in the qualification series. If we had managed 1 more race Si mussel would have drop a 10th and would had probably won. Ultimately Soren sailed better results in the higher value race (made even more valuable by there only being 2 of them.

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Well these scoring systems seem flawed and reading the report it seems there was a recognition the wrong guy won even though he clearly sailed very well.
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Well the scoring system was well known beforehand and Si was well aware of the precarious position he was in. Soren acknowledged in his speech that 1 bad result had lost it.

Perhaps the report makes to much of a point of this as it is written by the BCA and naturally favours GBR sailors. Si will be back for the next one in Aus he has scored 5th,4th,3rd, and 2nd in the last 4 Internationals he has entered, so fate is on his side.
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I agree that the scoring is flawed when you do not complete enough races to spread the discards.

I believe that they are trying to deal with the problem of split fleet qualification. With standard scoring potentially the winner could sail a superb qualification and bomb the finals but still win by discarding 2 gold fleet results. This way (if enough races had been completed) it make the gold fleet more critical than the qualifier as it should be. Unfortunately this delicate balance slipped too far in favour of the gold fleet with 0 discards allowed.
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what's wrong with the old system that utilised the entire championship timeframe to see who was the best across the wind range possibilities?

Anyway, not knocking the event as a whole- it looks amazing seeing that many great boats out sailing.  For anyone at my level the scoring system would be a moot point.

With the Finn & OK Europeans on at the moment too, this is really a fantastic summer of sailing coverage from the various outlets.... loving these real classes shining a beacon of opportunity on the sport.

With regards the runner up, he's been synonymous with the class for a long time, that's a bloody good record- I remember 10 years ago looking into the Contender (it, vs a 600 where what dragged me here in the first place).... he was a top name back then too.



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Originally posted by E.J.

Well the scoring system was well known beforehand and Si was well aware of the precarious position he was in.

I have no doubt that the event was run in accordance to the SI;s ... with an event overseen by an IJ no doubt it was very well run.

I just think the event was designed with too little emphasis on the earlier performances.

With a system where by the event was at some risk if the weather did not play ball in the final days I think the earlier results needed more emphasis or the fleet cut needed to kick in  a bit earlier to give more time for the finals.

I see some of the Olympic events are doing this too ... it seems to be all about the finals. 
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Originally posted by 2547

I see some of the Olympic events are doing this too ... it seems to be all about the finals. 

there is some justification, when film crews and sponsors ARE more important than competitors and fair gamesmanship.... much to the derision of various competitor twitter feeds, however the Contender Worlds should be free from that bullish*t.
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I am very biast, these types of event are what keep me sailing the contender. The boat rewards loyalty, there are very few ringers in the fleet and those that try usually don't win the worlds. Mr Mussell has served his time at the back of the fleet as have most of the top guys. For this reason there is very little them and us attitude between front middle and back. Weekend warriors have a realistic chance of acheiving a topten result if they stick at it which makes for a pleasant atmosphere.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote E.J. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jul 13 at 1:30pm
Happily there is very little bull, I think that the scoring was an honest attempt to balence the value of quallies and finals.the execution turn out differently than expected but hopefully the class can learn and ammend.
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