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From Appendix A of the class reports for every International class, here's the eligibility criteria:

APPENDIX A

Class minimum requirements for ISAF Status as for ISAF Regulation 10.2.1(e): Designation as an ISAF Class

Entitled to World Championship

Category according to Hull Length

Boats per MNA

No. of MNAs

No. of Continents

Boats up to 6.0m

15

5

2

Boats >6.0m to 9.0m

7

4

2

Boats >9.0m to 12.0m

6

3

2

Boats >12.0m to 15.0m

4

3

2

Boats >15.0m

2

3

2

 
Edit: the edior has mangled this slightly. The "Entitled to World Championships" header is supposed to be just above the "No. of continents" column, and the other big header should be above "Boats per MNA" and "No. of MNAs".


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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by MrGin

It may have something to do with having to pay ISAF, so that you can use the word "World" at a sailing championship,

No, the situation is only ISAF International and Recognised Classes are allowed World Champs.
And how do you get to be an ISAF International and Recognised Class? Pay for it?  Else provide an alternative explanation for the Vago situation?


Edit: just seen Al's post.  I'm still at a loss unless they count sailing schools/holiday fleets like Minorca Sailing.  Hardly right that, though, is it?


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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Originally posted by 2547

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RS700s are popular in the Czech Republic.

There has to be an opportunity for a Borat style jape there ...  LOL

Since when was the Czech Republic in or anywhere near Kazakhstan?!  They were both under the Russian yoke 20-odd years ago, but that's about it...  Smile



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Post Options Post Options   Quote MrGin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 13 at 2:45pm
To be recognised by ISAF you therefore have to pay them, the classes that come under the RYA as National classes, that may or may not have International Associations are RYA Classes not ISAF classes.
 
 
With respect to the Albacore, the RYA are the copyright holders, but there is an International Albacore Association. The RYA do an excellent job with the Albacore, but it does not stop us holding International competitions. To hold a world championship we would have to be an ISAF class and it costs!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2547 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 13 at 3:05pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by MrGin

It may have something to do with having to pay ISAF, so that you can use the word "World" at a sailing championship,

No, the situation is only ISAF International and Recognised Classes are allowed World Champs.

I believe the concept of recognised classes is long since defunct.

It used to be a stepping stone to international status but was dropped some years ago.

You are either an international class or not ...





Originally posted by Medway Maniac

 
I'm still at a loss unless they count sailing schools/holiday fleets like Minorca Sailing.  Hardly right that, though, is it?

It is of course a nonsense but the big manufacturers seem to like to get it done when they have shipped boats to schools. ISAF status is a bigger deal overseas as it seems to make it easier to sell boats to institutions if ISAF have rubber stamped it ...  Confused






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If you have to be an ISAF International class to hold a 'worlds', why don't you have to be an RYA National class to hold a 'Nationals', as opposed to a  'Class Champs'. If the RYA then kept the National classes up to date, we would have an automatic qualification for the Endeavour trophy.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2547 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 13 at 3:10pm
I think it would make more sense if the ISAF status required a functioning class association to be present in a number of countries rather than a manufacturer just producing a delivery note ...
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The Endeavour trophey has nothing to do with the RYA it just recognises it. It is by invitation only. I'm not sure which class you refer too with respect to automatic qualification.
http://royalcorinthian.co.uk/endeavour/
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Originally posted by 2547

I think it would make more sense if the ISAF status required a functioning class association to be present in a number of countries rather than a manufacturer just producing a delivery note ...
 
Good idea but it's more about the money RE: Kirby Torch/Laser
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Originally posted by MrGin

The Endeavour trophey has nothing to do with the RYA it just recognises it. It is by invitation only. I'm not sure which class you refer too with respect to automatic qualification.
http://royalcorinthian.co.uk/endeavour/


None, at the moment, seeing as it is by invite. However, if you look back through previous postings on the subject, who gets the invite (or doesn't) can cause handbags at dawn on here. If the RYA kept the concept of National Classes current, then it would make a good basis for who gets the invites. I'm sure there would be many other uses for it, too.

However, the concept of National classes seems to be very out of favour in the sailing world - maybe it became an old-fashioned idea when the most sailed classes of racing dinghy ceased to be local classes and became thinly spread over large geographic areas, whereas before only a few classes were widespread enough to be "National".

Pretty much the same could be said for International classes - some have massive geographic spread, thanks to holiday companies, but no real international competition.
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