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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 13 at 10:34pm
Originally posted by RS400atC

I think I'd rather find out the grab rail is not soundly secured by pulling on the kicker than when I'm using it to get back in the boat!
My blocks are secured to it using little loops of 1mm or so dyneema, these will probably break well before the screws let go.
As you say, we digress, the 400 is a bit different.
But if you can make it so you can cleat the other side, it's a plus in my book.
You pull  both sides of the loop and it takes the slack out of both sides.

Totally agree that being able to pull from the other side is an advantage when you've forgotten to re-cleat. However, the 200 grab rail just won't take the load. 

Putting a ring on you can still pull enough tension into the leeward side to cleat it. But you then must use the windward side to set the kicker. I'd discourage anyone from putting blocks on just as they might be tempted to try and set the kicker from the wrong side, ripping a few screws out in the process. 

I doubt anyone would ever protest though, i certainly wouldn't. But why bother taking the risk for something which is heavier, more expensive, has to performance advantage, and could damage your boat?
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Originally posted by mozzy

Originally posted by hum3

Originally posted by RS400atC

The grab rail takes far more force when it's used as a grab rail.
The LDC supplied continuous system also has blocks in it, at least on the 400.
Just think of the direction of the load between the two scenarios...
 
Trust me, first hand experience!
 
EDIT - if you pull the kicker on from the 'wrong' side you also have a 2:1 purchase on the grab rail, so the load might be larger than ou think.
 
And, yes, the 400 does have blocks, but it's 'same same but different'

hum3: Pulling from the wrong side doesn't give you an extra purchase. It would just be a turning block. There's no advantage to doing this, other than being able to cleat the rope if you forgot, which you can do with a ring.   
 
Um... it does [EDIT -  does give extra purchase. Agree it gives no advantage, unless you enjoy pulling the grab rail out of your boat!]
 
Perhaps not while there is no load in the rope, but once you load everything up, and the kicker end becomes 'fixed' you have a 2:1 purchase on the grab rail.


Edited by hum3 - 17 Jun 13 at 2:05pm
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Oops, sorry. My mistake, i thought you were saying it gives a extra 2:1 of kicker system purchase. I see now what you're just actually saying it gives a 2:1 purchase on pulling the screw out, which is spot on. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote hum3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 13 at 3:03pm
No worries - you're not the muppet who pulled the grab rail off on the last day in Garda a few years ago (through the exact process described above), and then proceed to suck the kicker tail into the ratchet block half a dozen time (still don't understand how that happened), which meant that my crew had physically pull the main sheet back through the block to let the main out at the windward.
 
Q sailing past the leeward gate, back home to Riva... :-(
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Nothing like a road journey to Garda to loosen all the fasteners...
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Nothing like a road journey to Garda to loosen all the fasteners...
 
Or just red mist, pulling something with more 'vigour' than the design spec qualified.
 
(There you go kids - have that as a double entendre open goal...)
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