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I think a lot of comes down to the filming and the manner in which I watch... whilst I took a week off watching the internet TV simultaneously with Mark's CoveritLive page on here, I found the best races were the Finns and Stars, as the tactical elements were being discussed as we watched.

That said if I was at home, using a proper TV with all manner of other crap going on in the background, then yep, foiling moths look good on the telly for ambient visual appeal...  it's similar to freestyle snowboarding looking better in an alpine bar on the tele in the corner when compared to nordic skiing.  

Personally I still think there should be a keelboat in the event, and without any knowledge of a better alternative, the Star seems to fit the bill quite nicely.   Maybe the SB20 would be good- mixed crew?  I remember getting a free DVD from VW Toureg featuring Chris Draper in one, that was good to watch iirc.


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I know it's been said on here before but the 18 footer TV coverage is the sort of TV that I would hope might get younger non-sailors interested in the sport. The commentary is quite technical, but it can be for other sports too if you have never played them, e.g. rugby. People are likely to be curious and want to understand better what it is all about. I wonder what the viewing figures for the 18 footers TV are like in Oz.
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I believe the audience in Oz is quite high; certainly high enough for the TV companies to put in some real effort to get good footage.  I remember watching some 18ft skiff sailing once - it might have been on the Ronstan stand at the dinghy show.  I was thinking that the coverage was really good when I saw something in the water.  I had to wait for the film clip to finish and restart before I could see what it was.  Yep - that's a cameraman in a flotation suit, camera on a shoulder mount and tethered on a line to the windward mark!  2/10 for elf 'n safety, but 12/10 for balls!

Don't forget though that Australia is probably a special case. Almost all of its inhabitants live either on the coast or very close to it, and therefore the exposure to water sports of all kinds is probably much higher than over here, even given the number of river and reservoir clubs we have.  And the result is a kind of virtuous circle, with a high level of participation feeding the TV coverage, which in turn further promotes the sport.  In the end, it's all about critical mass.


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the 18ftrs haven't been covered by "proper" tele for years- what we do get is excellent coverage from a single camera boat run a shoestring budget.
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

Personally I still think there should be a keelboat in the event, and without any knowledge of a better alternative, the Star seems to fit the bill quite nicely.   Maybe the SB20 would be good- mixed crew?  I remember getting a free DVD from VW Toureg featuring Chris Draper in one, that was good to watch iirc.

I reckon that Iain Percy, Robert Schiedt & Hamish Pepper (amongst others) have shown that the skills to sail are Star aren't particularly difficult to acquire (for sailors of that quality), so apart from it  being a boat for the .....larger..... of our brethren, I don't really see what it brings. To me, keelboat sailing is all about boats big enough that the guy steering isn't trimming at the same time - Lewis Hamilton doesn't have to talk to his foot to control his throttle. But with the limit of 380 sailors (IIRC), you're never going to get a big keelboat in. And the cost of boats and facilities is a big negative as well. 
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As reported in Scuttlebutt today, it's not the Star that has made the return to the Olympic fold... it's the Yngling - http://email.sailingscuttlebutt.com/t/ViewEmailArchive/j/3BE6427666AE3FA3/C67FD2F38AC4859C/
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Originally posted by Mark Jardine

As reported in Scuttlebutt today, it's not the Star that has made the return to the Olympic fold... it's the Yngling - http://email.sailingscuttlebutt.com/t/ViewEmailArchive/j/3BE6427666AE3FA3/C67FD2F38AC4859C/

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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by Mark Jardine

As reported in Scuttlebutt today, it's not the Star that has made the return to the Olympic fold... it's the Yngling - http://email.sailingscuttlebutt.com/t/ViewEmailArchive/j/3BE6427666AE3FA3/C67FD2F38AC4859C/

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If the report had stated that ISAF had made the decision, I might have given it some credence; they are as daft as a bucket of frogs at times.  The real indicator that this is an April Fools joke is that it is attributed to Jacques Rogge - he has far too much sense.  Actually he should be running ISAF - but he's got too much sense for that too!
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Today I spoke to a well known Brazilian ISAF member and ex Brazilian Olympian. 
    "It's a done deal, Star class will feature in Rio"
His words not mine.  
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Odd then that Scheidt is spending so much time in a Laser... But I know nothing relevant.
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