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Is it in the olympics charter that two countries can have a joint bid.
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Originally posted by kingdacks

Is it in the olympics charter that two countries can have a joint bid.


Countries don't bid, cities do.


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GRF your comment is one of the stupidest i have seen on this forum.


Agreed. Why does GRF bother even sailing if he hates it so much? I don't really like golf so I don't play it. grrrrrrrrr
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kingdacks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 13 at 7:17pm
Why does grf spend his life on this forum ?

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Olympic sailing doesn't have to be on the sea. In 1900 it was on a river. So if the Swiss bid, no probs, it can be on a lake. I can't think of any lanlocked countries with cities big enough to bid where there isn't a big lake nearby.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sargesail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 13 at 10:21pm
Originally posted by JimC

On the Olympic venue/Land locked country thing, I just found section 34 of the Olympic Charter:-

http://www.olympic.org/Documents/olympic_charter_en.pdf

This says that all events must be held in the host country for summmer events, but may be held in adjoining countries for winter events. Somehow I suspect that might be hastily changed if it came down to it though...

Still haven't found any reference to the extra event clause, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The IOC is every bit as bureaucratic as any UK government office. It could be on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet, stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying “Beware of the Leopard”...

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[recycled argument] who gives a f**k about the TV viewers... that won't watch any sailing regardless.  If the Olympics is ONLY about the TV, then screw it.... sailing's buggered whatever class 'they' happen to vote in, including kiteboard racing, which is also sh*t to participate in, as well as watch as they use even less accessible kit than the windyplankers.  
I know I'm a bit late in this conversation, but I agree completely.  Actually, I'd go further.  We've had this carrot of 'improving sailing's profile as a sport through TV coverage' hung in front of our noses for the past couple of decades, and I guess we all fell for it at some stage and it sounds as through iGRF is still a believer, but  you know what?  I think it's a con.  Whatever sport is shown on TV, it will gain some viewers, perhaps lots, perhaps not so many.  The number of those who will then get their backsides off the sofa and take steps to actually have a go is, in my estimation, a fraction of a fraction of a percent.  The overwhelming majority just want to sit there with a can of lager and watch.
For as long as I can remember, the biggest recruiting ground for sailing has been from the offspring of those already involved in the sport, and I'd venture to say that this is true of almost any sport bar football.  I think it's still true and I can't see it changing any time soon.
If I'm right, then the question comes down to a very simple choice; we either arrange sailing for the somnolent masses on the sofa (who don't give a sh*t anyway) or we do so for those who actually go out and get wet.  The clipboard and blazer brigade sitting in their committee meetings still subscribe to the delusion and plot accordingly.  It's up to us, ordinary club sailors with loads of enthusiasm but restricted time, budget and, at least in my case talent, to ensure that the sport stays true to a form we can all continue to enjoy.  Because when it comes down to it, that's what sport is for; not nationalism via olympic medals for a small elite - it's meant to be fun for all.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote pondmonkey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 13 at 7:25pm
Spot on Sheetpuller! IMHO- the Olympic Regatta is the pinnacle of the elements of this sport I enjoy. Proper racing - boat on boat.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 13 at 11:16pm
Originally posted by Sheetpuller

I guess we all fell for it at some stage and it sounds as through iGRF is still a believer, but  you know what?  I think it's a con. 


Personally I agree, it is a con, but as far as the longevity of the sport is concerned and despite having the One Design Class I helped create, totally destroyed by it, I still believe if only in that proud parents push little johnny and jessica into the melting pot in bigger numbers than they might otherwise if it were just what it has always been, a little elitist pastime for the better off.

Knowing what happens as I do, I loath and despise everything about the way the kids are churned through the system, having lost not only the class, but my own offsprings enthusiasm at the hands of those tasked with the training and selection, it is a shame the gift is squandered, but, still better we have it than not, so when 'they' the powers that be make ludicrous decisions that jeopardise the future of sailing in the Olympics, I tend to become annoyed.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote getafix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 13 at 7:29am
totally agree on why most get involved in sailing and my views on dumbing down sailing for TV are previously stated on many a thread.... only comment on this is; when i'm sitting on my couch, with a can of lager, watching the sailing in the Olympics, I don't want to see Stars racing, thanks.. couldn't care less how old they are, how they "reflect" on the "rest of the sport" or ever dare to think I'd be any where near as good as the guys sailing them last time around.... I just find lead-mine racing boring to watch, far rather see some cats doing 20knts+ or 49ers nose-diving into 3ft waves, heck lets have some foiling moth action.
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