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Hector
Really should get out more Joined: 10 May 04 Location: Otley, Yorkshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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Topic: Getting better? Posted: 19 Feb 13 at 6:34pm |
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At 45:30 talking about a 470 opponents strategy - 'start next to a Marshmallow'
BTW, just watching from that point is useful.
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Keith
29er 661 (with my daughters / nephew) 49er 688 (with Phil P) RS200 968 Vortex (occasionally) Laser 2049XX |
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sargesail
Really should get out more Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Feb 13 at 9:28pm | |
Partially - yes. But also in a small (especially very small) fleet, then a succession of risk averse twos is not going to beat a line of 1s with a few 3s and a 4, one or two of which get disgarded. In the big fleet consistent top few results will get you there - but they don't all need to be top 3s, potentially. Also the bigger course and longer duration to accommodate a big fleet means it is easy to be more exposed to shifts/pressure changes. Being conscious of where and when you are on the course (and what you are aiming to achieve) really helps with the risk taking. We would only sometimes (very rarely articualte it to thsi degree but in full: We're half way up the beat, and we're in the left. We have about 70-30 port and starboard to sail and the fleet is 40-60 lef and right if us.
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Daniel Holman
Really should get out more Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Feb 13 at 9:35pm | |
Basically the consequences of taking risks are far greater in bigger fleets- more boats to sh*t on you, harder to get a lane again if you lose it, boats on every part of a beat so more leverage in shifts, impossible to cover all avenues. If you get rolled on a beat or reach then you can become vulnerable and can end up getting bent over the proverbial barrel by a large proportion of the fleet.
In a smaller fleet you are far more strategy driven, in a larger fleet (or more crowded racecourse) you are more tactic driven - ie you have to be more reactive to other boats. Laser worlds is ridiculous, pretty much sneeze at the wrong time and you're last. |
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Reuben T
Newbie Joined: 14 Dec 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 17 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Feb 13 at 10:12pm | |
I found that sailing in a different class has helped me to improve. I had been sailing the laser for about 3 years, then sailed a laser 2 for the autumn and winter series which was quite disheartening as our small shifty light-wind lake is utterly unsuitable for spinnaker and/ or trapese boats, so we found ourselves fighting with the solo fleet. When I went back to the laser I found my results had improved, I can only think this has been something to do with making me focus on what the wind is doing rather than the other boats as the solos were different a different speed anyway. Also I suspect having the spinnaker made me have to look ahead to the next legs to assess if we should hoist/drop/head high or low to get the best speed, making me look further ahead so as to be one step ahead of the non spinnaker boats whos extra maneuverability made us an easy target. So it might be worth trying an utterly different boat occasionally to see what skills it develops.
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robin34024
Posting king Joined: 03 Jan 12 Location: Lincoln Online Status: Offline Posts: 116 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Feb 13 at 12:02am | |
I would recommend the book 'start to win' by Eric Twiname, if you can get it. it has 2 whole chapters on upwind strategy/tactics in different fleet sizes and situations :D
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Clive Evans
Groupie Joined: 18 Feb 13 Location: Sydney Online Status: Offline Posts: 46 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Feb 13 at 10:34am | |
Thank you so much for this, sail juice looks good think I'm a convert and going to sign up, can listen on the way to work beats Sydney traffic
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