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    Posted: 26 Sep 05 at 4:40pm
I'm thinking of getting an old hobie 405 for me and my girlfriend to sail recreationally for fun and mabey do a bit of club racing. We have sailed laser 2's before but find we get a bit overpowered in strong winds as we only weight 17-18 stone (115 kgs) combined.

We basically want a cheap fast fun boat with trapeze to sail on a small inland water.

is the hobie 405 a good choice? As I say we are quite light and both quite small so I think a youth class will suit us!

Any advice much appreciated!

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Well the hobie 405 seems to be primarily a youth class but as long as you don't mind that im sure it would be brillaint and it is a lightweights boat. If you intended to race the nationals etc you mayfind it is all young girls tho :S.

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Get a Cherub dude... more fun that you can shake a stick at. Whats the
budget? 1000 - 1500 will get you a hum dinger 97 rules boat.
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Ive sailed the 405 once or twice and didnt get on with it tbh. As sugested, a 420 or fireball would be a better option imo, but if you can try and blag a go in as many different boats as possible.

I would join in with the cherub crowd and say get one of them, but if I did you'd just go and buy the first one that comes up on the market that I want
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cheers guys,
I did get the impression from reading around that we might be a bit over weight for a 405.
I must admit I hadn't considered a cherub - might have to look into that.
The other boat I had considered was a laser 2. I'v sailed them before and get on with them quite well.

Any thoughts on laser 2's v 420's v cherubs?

much appreciated

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I weigh about 12 stone and sail a laser 2 (sans spinny) single handed up to about force 4/5 (though not exactly competitively).  I've also sailed it with my 6 stone son.  At 18 stone combined you should be fine, especially if the tallest / heaviest goes on the wire.  More knots per pound than most boats.  Good ones 1200 - 1600.

420s fat, ugly and slow.  Barely faster than a 405. 

Cherubs ..... probably most fun all round, if you've the time to love and care for it.

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Laser 2s and 420s are symmetric spinnakers (harder to use than asymetrics). Cherubs have asymetrics these days, but some older boats have symetrics. Cherubs are great, really fast but can be a bit of a handful (haven't helmed one though). I've sailed 420s for 5 years and had fantastic fun in them, nomally when the wind got up tbh though. I was team racing them, had about 19, 20 stone in the boat this year and sailed through pretty much any wind strength. Not as much fun in the light, but we could handle it in really heavy breeze (depowering a lot, but we weren't using trapeze as team racing prevents that). Personally I'd go for the Cherub, I'd get one if I was looking for an 800/49er...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Isis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 05 at 7:08pm
Id definantly say the cherub is the 'best' boat out of the boats mentioned here, but you have to remember it is a totaly different animal to the rest of the mentioned boats.
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Somewhat late in the day but better late than never.  The Hobie 405 was designed as the RYA Intermediate Youth Training dinghy so probably not suitable for those who are adult and lardy.  It's more challenging than a Feva or Topaz, and the like but more manageable tham a 29-er.  My son is 13 and an ex-Tera sailor and had no issues getting to grips with the 405.

Below is a new online resource for junior sailors interested in finding out about the HOBIE 405, a performance dinghy that was (and is) much ahead of its time in many respects. The Hobie 405 was designed from the ground up as the RYA intermediate youth training dinghy, not a leisure boat with go-faster add-ons. With great build quality, an asymmetric, single wire and PY of 1089 it  ticks a lot of teenage boxes and still offers a manageable and very affordable entry into real asymmetric sailing for younger sailors.  With competitive 2nd hand examples often around the 500.00 mark with combi, what's not to like?

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