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Our club has had sport england grants, for both facilities and for training boats. Whilst I think that some of the coaching appears geared to winning too early (and so people leave the sport when they work out that they won't be the next Ben, rather than enjoying themselves) I'd say the majority of junior and adult coaching given round the country (at clubs who have had grants, very often) is all about learning whilst having fun. I know Whitefriars is, and Nessa seems to have fun at Hunts!

As for top end funding - good on them. Gives all of us someone to look up to, and is probably peanuts compared to the hospital bills for all the fat, lazy people in the country.
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Originally posted by getafix

.  Apart from a few glorious weeks this year, Weymouth is a) a PITA to get to/from and b) not all that nice, IMO, when you do get there


It irked me that at Weymouth the Race Cttee. gave in to the demands of TV and spectating and set courses that to me were expressly designed to introduce a lottery element to the racing.
Whatever happened to the idea of finding enough sea room to make sure that the land effect was minimised?


As for Weymouth itself, I quite like the place. OK it's not very exotic, but where else in the UK is? Up here we have some of the best sailing waters in the UK, but I'd hardly describe Abersoch/Pwllheli as 'Party Central', and we're at least 2 hours from anywhere. LOL

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Congratulations to the RYA. One side-effect of all the Olympic funding is that the RYA has one of the best race-official training programmes in the world. This benefits all racing sailors, even beyond the boundaries of the UK.

However, if the Laser radial medal race had been sailed on a proper race course, Ireland could well have had a medal! Not the RYA's fault - we blame Seb Coe!

As for Weymouth - I have enjoyed my trips to the WPNSA - but I can honestly say that all I have seen of Weymouth has been the traffic jams. Portland is fascinatingly eccentric!


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It is great news that Sailing continues to get such significant funding from UK Sport, lets hope that the RYA manage the spending of these funds wisely? I personnaly would like to see the RYA make significant effort and actualy use some of this funding to support all these young sailors who complete the squad system at ALL LEVELS. Funding some sort of integration for these 'Trained and talented' youngsters into the Adult classes in this country would be a great start instead of just dumping them. That way the adult classes would benefit from an influx of new highly trained sailors.

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Elite funding is elite funding so don't expect to see this budget do anything for grass roots sailing.
 
There are different funding sources for that ...
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Originally posted by Alan Gillard

I personnaly would like to see the RYA make significant effort and actualy use some of this funding to support all these young sailors who complete the squad system at ALL LEVELS.


That's not how the funding works. "Elite sport" funding is about medals. The RYA can't just spend it however they see fit. "Community sport" funding is for the rest of us.
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Originally posted by 2547

Elite funding is elite funding so don't expect to see this budget do anything for grass roots sailing.
 
There are different funding sources for that ...

And let's not forget that it's parents who chuck their kids into the RYA vacuum.  Not something I plan to do with my little 'uns, not unless they really, really want it.  In fact, I doubt I'll even join them to my sailing club unless they want to get involved or show any desire towards competitive sailing.


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Originally posted by iGRF

My Chum's over here from Aus at the moment, giving it all the we this and we that and marvelling at their coaches and tactical superiority, he's back in lasers funnily enough then telling me about this book I should read by some Aussie called Bethwaite, have you any idea how this all sticks in the craw of any self respecting Brit with a sailing history?

Knowing as I do from bitter experience of all the flaws of those that would tutor and coach our young aspirants and the power they wield with that cash?

I fear if you can't keep an upstart Aussie in his place you must be losing your touch ...
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Pondmonkey I don't understand 'RYA vacuum'? Accepted don't force kids into sailing but if you're a keen sailor yourself, your kids are naturally likely to want to have a go too? I'm hoping mine will do, would be bloody awkward if he turns out to be a talented footballer!

Ten years ago I took as much of the 'vacuous' coaching as I could and my parents could afford to get me to. Resultingly I learnt in about 5 years what if took my dad half his life to learn through club racing. I know a few good young sailors who avoided the RYA systems through their parents misgivingsbut I do not understand it. The junior squads were always great fun. The youth squads were much more performance orientated as you'd expect but still good weekends away. I'm grateful to the RYA for making it possible and have no qualms whatsoever that I was amongst many used as essentially cannon fodder to develop the Giles Scotts of today! There were no secrets made at any point that medalists were the end goal. After all if any of us were more talented or motivated it could well have been us instead!

What I'm saying is this elite squad funding has created probably thousands of decent club/national level sailors which can only be good for the progression of the sport. At some point at least half will buy boats and join clubs as adults.

Edit. Just realised it was more like 13 years ago.....

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RYA vacuum... kids disappear into it.  How many stay in the sport?  How many might have stayed in it if they'd focused more on club level sailing?  I dunno, I'd like to think more.  Glad you enjoyed your experiences though; there's no one answer.  My point is simple- the funding is to pay for the performance programme and it's up to us to elect whether we dump our kids into it, or whether we finance their introduction to sailing through other avenues.  (I don't expect 'funding' to pay for my kids to get introduced to sailing, I guess that makes me 'elitist')

As for my own kids, no I won't be pushing them into any form of racing or structured competition.  I'd rather they developed a natural love for messing around in boats, boards, canoes etc; if one of those leads towards a racing or competitive desire, then so be it, I will support it, but it will not be the 'end game' of any watersport opportunities I present.
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