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neilboys
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Topic: Laser 2000 or RS Vision or what Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 7:17pm |
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I recently posted a similar question re the Topper Omega.....stirred up some thoughts on the newer boats such as the Vision/Omega/Xenon. I was looking at all of them to replace my old Enterprise as a family boat whist the kids and myself also sail lasers/topper. All have strengths, the L2000 is good and a strong class asociation as does the wayfarer. Wayfarer great boat but not as easy to deal with post capsize. The others above seem to get some flak for being 'plastic' but I think they are very flexible, low maitenance and fit the market they were made for. The Xenon is more sporty not really a cruiser, Vision has the RS pedigree but can cruise and the Omega is more of a cruiser with options for fun sailing. In the end I bought a Laser Stratos which does the same as the Vision/Omega but is heavier (GRP) and even second hand can be quite expensive but I like the boat and it perfoms well but can be very stable when required. I looked at second hand prices for all of them, not many Visions/Omegas (but RS and Topper do sell second hand boats), L2000 holds price well and you really are looking at paying over £4000 and the Stratos £4500 - £7000. wayfarers are about £1500 - £2500 depending on what you want (you can obviously pay more).
Good luck but I would recommend paying a bit more and getting a Stratos for the family
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Medway Maniac
Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 10:54pm | |
Neilboys, you criticise the Wayfarer for not being easy post capsize. True, it takes a while to bail out, but it's easy to right (well, the ones without a double bottom, anyway), after that it's just a question of sailing off the wind for a while (or being handy with a bucket) till it's dry. The problem with the L2k and many other boats with double bottoms is that while they do self-drain once up, they're difficult to get up! They tend to invert completely unless you're very quick getting on the centreboard - I've seen a light guy standing for what seemed like 30 minutes on the gunwale of an inverted L2k without it responding at all! Edited by Medway Maniac |
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Villan
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 11:22pm | |
Also, Double bottom boats (or open-transom ones - rs200) may have a high cockpit floor ewhen upright, but when inverted, it is VERY low ... meaning no air pocket if someone gets trapped under it
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neilboys
Newbie Joined: 12 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 28 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 12:54pm | |
Totally agree with the above........was'nt crticizing the wayfarer at all...sailed one many times and would'nt dare to fault it ! Having sailed an Enterprise for many years bit like the Wayfarer in inexperienced hands they can be difficult to drain. However, I accept the points re ease of initial recovery and issues re inversion (don't think the L2000 is that bad really).... I should have said if you are looking for a cheap starter family boat you can't go wrong with the Enterprise (or GP14) dependent on what your local club sail
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Rob.e
Really should get out more Joined: 19 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 545 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 13 Mar 06 at 12:26pm | |
Above all, find what they sail at your local club and go for that! Re: the poly boats, I do wonder what the "life expectancy" of these designs will be. They seem to be "up to the minute" now but if they are overtaken by fashion and dumped by the manufacturer their value could plummet. I gather that the initial cost of moulds etc is high, which means the builders will have to stick by them to re-coup the costs to an extent, but if some other "next big thing" comes along and a partic design stops selling, who knows? At least the 2000 has a race circuit and a bit of a following so if Laser drop it someone else might pick it up (a la 3000). Older classes like the Ent and Wayfarer have stood the test of time (for a good reason) have an established 2nd hand market, and a good pool of boats available at a range of prices. |
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IanMitchell
Newbie Joined: 17 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 11 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 12:47pm | |
Gosh I'd forgotten all about this thread. I see it's grown somewhat since I last looked at it. Anyway, after much deliberation we went the Laser2000 route. The thinking was:
So we've got one, it's sitting on its trolley waiting for the weather to warm up. Can't wait. |
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Philsy
Far too distracted from work Joined: 12 Sep 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 344 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 1:13pm | |
Sounds a sensible choice. I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun with it.
I'm still deliberating, and lack of room at the club pound means I'm not in too much of a rush... Phil |
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jeffers
Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 1:46pm | |
Have they really sold 20,000 of them? That is getting pretty close to Laser 1 sales figures..... I would be sceptical on that figure (unless independant proof can be given). |
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IanMitchell
Newbie Joined: 17 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 11 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 3:21pm | |
Well I may just be naive but I was basing that on the sail numbers they are now issuing. Ours is 217somethingsomething.
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kevg
Posting king Joined: 13 Dec 05 Location: Wrexham Online Status: Offline Posts: 120 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 3:27pm | |
The numbering goes from 2000 to 2999 then 21000 to 21764 (and rising). The change occured in 2002. This was to avoid clashing with the Laser 3000 numbering, and maybe the Laser 4000 or 5000! Kevin
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