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Topic: Breathable Dinghy cover
Posted By: dkr1
Subject: Breathable Dinghy cover
Date Posted: 29 Oct 12 at 1:13pm
I'm in the market for a new breathable cover and was wondering about peoples experiences. There seem to be three material choices:
1.  Weathermax (from various supplies P&B. North, etc) 
2.  Hydralite Polyester (from Rain and Sun)
3.  Polycotton (from various suppliers).

Im particular does anyone have any view on Hydralite versus Weathermax as am tending toward choosing one of these. 





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Posted By: fudheid
Date Posted: 29 Oct 12 at 3:26pm
i think i would have weathermax - the tech specs seem better........ never heard of hydralite (hydrolite?) but it relies on a PU coating for waterproofing this will wear out(off) worse case pu coatings go brittle in u.v and shed on you or your boat.
polycotton was always highly rated as it was breathable it tends to shrink though. for heavy duty get it in top gun not quite as colourfast as weathermax but better puncture resistance....
Confused? My dinghy cover is topgun - very impressed (3 years and in mint condition out side all year) next one will be weathermax. (and yes i am trade, and weathermax is fast becoming our cover cloth of choice))


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Posted By: Roger
Date Posted: 29 Oct 12 at 5:28pm
At the risk of being a little controversial I doubt I would ever choose a weathermax cover again, I did get one with a boat I bought, and would say life expectancy is little more than 2 years.
Abrasion resistance seems poor compared with acrylic cloths, have a look at a sample and make your own judgement, I would however say its a great material for undercovers, folds up small yet heavy enough to provide some real protection compared to the thin nylon undercovers supplied by some.
 
Hydralite appears to be unique to R & S, I have no affiliation, but does seem to wear better than weathermax, although I have no data on relative waterproof or breathable properties.
 
While weathermax seems to have become the material of choice for the large sailmakers over the last few years I feel the best course of action is often to take a walk round the dinghy park and look at various covers a year or two into their normal life, you should have an idea of which boats stay out 12 months of the year, see how they are surviving. Also take a look at the fit, if the fit is poor then the material is unimportant.
 
As stated above "Top Gun" is probably the best material available, but not many use it as standard, probably due to the cost.
At the end of the day too many people choose covers on cost alone, boats worth thousands of pounds suffer a cheap cover to save a few quid, and suffer as a result.
 


Posted By: fudheid
Date Posted: 29 Oct 12 at 5:49pm
Interesting Roger - the tech specs give weathermax better abrasion over standard acrylic (acrylic is pretty rubbish in this department), we haven't had it long enough to get that sort of feedback. 
Potentially for dinghy covers it is maybe to similar to acrylic - and should be left to sailcovers and sprayhoods and the like.
Top gun should not be anymore than weathermax or polycotton from my experience (and what we charge).
Also if the cover cloth has a PU coating tis will hinder the breathability of the fabric, in which to answer the original question the best breathable cover cloth is polycotton (taking Roger's comments re weathermax).
We use polycotton on everything from dinghy covers upto large yacht winter covers. Bear in mind that salt/dirt/u.v all help to degrade the cloth quite quickly and this can be negated by cleaning and reproofing. Fabsil has u.v. inhibitors in which will help the cover and stitching to last.
Most threads used will last around 4 - 5 years before the u.v rots it. Like most things marine annual upkeep will keep your stuff working longer......
if you want to see the charts showing the differences between this lot this site has alot on it all (nothing to do with me but good charts for cross referencing)
http://www.leesailcovers.com/Weathermax80.php - http://www.leesailcovers.com/Weathermax80.php


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Posted By: Roger
Date Posted: 29 Oct 12 at 7:17pm
My comments are as ever from my personal experience, and this of course will differ from others, they do of course not contain direct one to one comparisons in identical situations so should be take with caution.
 
The one real strength of weathermax is that it does not shrink or grow, I understand the threads will stretch but do recover to original length, this is not true of acrylics or polycotton.
The other interesting fact is that while weathermax is available in 2 weights, 8oz and 6.5oz, it doesn't appear that any of the "major" dinghy cover manufacturers specify which weight is used (anybody know?), it would be easy there fore to suggest they use the lighter/cheaper fabric, but I really dont know, just as I don't know which weight the weathermax cover I've had is.
 
I guess one of the difficulties with this is having to wait several years to see how a cover really bears up to the rigours of the British weather, while I would expect the material manufacturers to do this I doubt the cover makers have the time and money, and will need to trust the data they are given. I still think looking around the boat park is a good way to see whats standing up well to all thats been thrown at it.
 
 


Posted By: Pastyman
Date Posted: 29 Oct 12 at 7:49pm
For what it's worth I have had both a cover from R&S and another from a major sailmaker in Weathermax
I will not be replacing the Weathermax with another the R&S cover is still going strong (on the boat I sold 18 months ago) whilst mine is in need of replacingWink


Posted By: Mark Jardine
Date Posted: 29 Oct 12 at 8:06pm
Originally posted by Pastyman

For what it's worth I have had both a cover from R&S and another from a major sailmaker in Weathermax
I will not be replacing the Weathermax with another the R&S cover is still going strong (on the boat I sold 18 months ago) whilst mine is in need of replacingWink


+1 from me for the Rain & Sun covers (and not because they're an advertiser Embarrassed!)


Posted By: Rockhopper
Date Posted: 29 Oct 12 at 8:31pm
+1 from me too for a R & S cover first i have had one  on the 2k very impressed with thickness and quailty from them

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Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 29 Oct 12 at 10:19pm
I'd say the 2K fleet is a good place to get a view - the LPE products have always been so poor that there has been a large sample on which to try different non-SMOD suppliers.  R&S seems to have become the fleet standard.



Posted By: dkr1
Date Posted: 29 Oct 12 at 10:32pm
Many thanks - useful feedback.  The feeling I'm getting from the thread is that people hold R&S covers in high regard. 

It would be for an RS300 that are known to have a known problem with the gel bubbling under standard PVC covers.  Has anyone seen problems like this with Hydralite covers?




Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 29 Oct 12 at 11:15pm
I'd get on the 300 yahoo group and ask the question then.  I had a boat that had that issue, but it was from a batch, limited 10 or so boats that had a problem.  The gel coat issue is not wide spread...and is most common in the boat when someone leaves the sail in through the winter, trapping water.  The point about fit is more valid than ever for the 300.  You need to be sure they can make one that fits: there have been some very bad ones over the years.  Let me know how you get on: my RS one has been very good but is beginning to show its age.


Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 30 Oct 12 at 7:20am
Theres a couple of boats at my club with weathermax covers that are now around three years old. Granted, they do not look new but neither are they massively discoloured or leaking.
 
With top covers i think the thing that kills them is trailing, in the dinghy park they're fine as long as they are put on correctly and cant flap.


Posted By: fudheid
Date Posted: 30 Oct 12 at 8:54am
Originally posted by Paramedic

Theres a couple of boats at my club with weathermax covers that are now around three years old. Granted, they do not look new but neither are they massively discoloured or leaking.
 
With top covers i think the thing that kills them is trailing, in the dinghy park they're fine as long as they are put on correctly and cant flap.

 
absolutely right, we had a separate pvc heavy duty towing cover and a lightweight dinghy park cover, both of the them lasted well over 5 years....
Still think top gun fabric is best for dinghies......


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Posted By: Ruscoe
Date Posted: 30 Oct 12 at 10:08am

I had gel coat bubles on 1 or my 300's i replaced the cover for a rain and sun breathable poly cotton type and the bubbles disapeared over a short time.  The rain and sun covers are in my opinion the best.

I have not bought a weathermax cover yet, personally for me there was little wrong with poly cotton so i am not sure why i need a more expensive material.  I will be in the market for a new cover when the next winter cover sales start so would really like to hear other peoples feedback.
 
Russ


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Posted By: rodney
Date Posted: 30 Oct 12 at 10:15am
Most of our top covers are made from Airtex.  Looking round most dinghy parks I had noticed that a lot of covers are rotting so we looked for a good solution.  Best to look for something breathable but also with mildew and UV protection.  An added bonus is if it can be cleaned easily.  Good luck with your search Smile

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 30 Oct 12 at 11:15am
My wife has just started making boat covers having been making covers for light aircraft and gliders etc for a while now. For all their premium covers they use Weathermax as it proves to be easy to work with, hard wearing, waterproof and breathable. I've had a weathermax cover on the Cherub for a while now and even when the water pools it shows no sign of getting through.
 
Seems to me like a lot of these fabrics are going to be very similar, just different names and brand names.
 
I'd advise against towing with the cover on if you want it to survive for any amount of time though as you are basically putting it through a gale force beating every time you go on the motorway!


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Posted By: timeintheboat
Date Posted: 30 Oct 12 at 1:45pm
Originally posted by Paramedic


With top covers i think the thing that kills them is trailing, in the dinghy park they're fine as long as they are put on correctly and cant flap.


Agreed when I bought a new polycotton cover I also bought a purpose build trailing cover.  Another thing to store mind you.




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Posted By: dkr1
Date Posted: 31 Oct 12 at 1:18pm
Many thanks - after speaking with Rain and Sun I have gone for a Hydrolite cover from them.  I'll come back in a few years and report how it has lasted.

More by luck than judgement I have an existing PVC cover so it looks like a good plan to keep that and use it for trailing. 


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 31 Oct 12 at 1:35pm
Originally posted by timnoyce

My wife has just started making boat covers

And mine seems to fit very nicely thank you:-)


Posted By: MaxBlinkhorn
Date Posted: 10 Dec 19 at 10:00am
I appreciate this is an old post but I must relay the fact that we bought a cover in Weathermax and it still looks perfect after 4 years. I have just put my money where my mouth is and bought a laser cover in Weathermax.

Duralyte (sp?) and Hydralyte are recommended by manufacturers but I decided to stick with Weathermax based on this experience. Why you would buy a cheap one, I don't know.


Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 10 Dec 19 at 10:08am
Originally posted by MaxBlinkhorn

I appreciate this is an old post but I must relay the fact that we bought a cover in Weathermax and it still looks perfect after 4 years. I have just put my money where my mouth is and bought a laser cover in Weathermax.

Duralyte (sp?) and Hydralyte are recommended by manufacturers but I decided to stick with Weathermax based on this experience. Why you would buy a cheap one, I don't know.

I have a cover made out of 'TopNotch' which is Weathermax in all but name (and price) according to my friendly cover maker. Along the lines of ProGrip and Algeos foam.


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Posted By: didlydon
Date Posted: 10 Dec 19 at 10:43am
Talking of covers..... I've had a Waveloft brand one on my Vareo for it must be.....4+ years . It's made from Acrylic coated canvas & has lasted very well apart from a couple of seams which I've just had stitched as they were starting to fail....a stitch in time & all that.... The fabric is still very sound & decent looking. It comes off over the winter 3 month or so lay up & is replaced by a decent tarp..... One thing to recommend I think is "Wet & Forget". I sprayed it with that at the end of the season & it removes a lot of the black marks & hopefully will improve the lifespan a bit.  

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