Draycote Dash- 24/25th Nov
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Topic: Draycote Dash- 24/25th Nov
Posted By: pondmonkey
Subject: Draycote Dash- 24/25th Nov
Date Posted: 17 Oct 12 at 10:01pm
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Thought I would start another thread on this specifically.
Pre-entry cheaper for any visitors interested: http://www.sailracer.org/events/event-v2.asp?eventid=143535 - http://www.sailracer.org/events/event-v2.asp?eventid=143535 |
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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 8:17am
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A huge thanks to everyone that travelled to the Dash despite the forecast. I hope you enjoyed it. We took some photo's from the committee boat on Saturday. I've posted them to flickr if anyone's interested. Unfortunately it wasn't the best day for photography..... http://www.flickr.com/photos/98882529@N00/sets/72157632097641199/ - http://www.flickr.com/photos/98882529@N00/sets/72157632097641199/ ------------- |
Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 8:40am
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Really good to see a Laser in the top five! ------------- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Your-Own-Tactics-Coach/dp/0470973218/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312565831&sr=8-1 - |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 9:18am
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Why a non discardable in a winter event like this? It's not the Olympic medal race ... 1st and 2nd over night were wiped out ... Fair enough to weight the results towards the pursuit but its a bit of a shame for those who traveled and could not get a score in what reads to be quite fruity conditions.
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Posted By: Fraggle
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 9:25am
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Twas breezy but perfectly sailable on the Sunday. I think a lot of people got caught out expecting a postponement that didn't happen. RO started the sequence on time and a lot of sailors launched very late.
Isn't the Tiger's pursuit also non-discardable? ------------- |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 9:56am
Yes it is, seems a bit of an unforgiving format for fun winter racing.
Fine to give the pursuit some additional weighting IMHO but to make it a double points non-discardable is rendering the Saturday races to be almost pointless.
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Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 10:12am
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I was around Draycote on Saturday and went for a bit of a sail. The racing looked really good for the majority of the boats that had shown up- it certainly used the majority of the lake, which is surely one of the reasons for travelling- to get a bit more open space than the normal puddles for sailors congregate at during the winter. I have to say I find the existence of the Pursuit Race bizarre though. I'll admit to never favouring it as a format, but to weight it so heavily and make it so important, when imho, it probably puts a good deal of people off the event, well it just doesn't make sense and probably takes away from what would have been an otherwise excellent one-day event. ------------- |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 11:16am
FTFY
+1
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Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 11:24am
lol - it was blowing around 12 knots-ish by later in the afternoon. I'm not sure, but I think it got planing... once, maybe. ------------- |
Posted By: Kev M
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 11:41am
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I like pursuit races but I don't know why they weighted it so much. I know you hate handicap racing but for some of us it's the only real option so pursuit races mix things up and add a bit of variety. I think in handicap racing slower boats just go backwards because they get everyone elses sh*t wind and the faster boats that can punch clear will always have some advantage. That is unless you've got a bandit boat perhaps. Pursuit races let the slower boats get out in the clean air first and gives them a better chance for once in a while IMO. ------------- Successfully confusing ambition with ability since 1980. |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 11:50am
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Excellent photo PM. I'm pretty sure you can get a fan heater up the front there James. Help keep the nose down when it really takes off.
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Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 11:52am
that's a fair enough reason, and FWIW re handicap racing, I don't 'hate it', I just don't want it to be only/primary sailing. So if you can't get to travel to class events as often as you might like, then imho, it's better to sail what's sailed at your club if there's a fleet of them there, than bog around in a handicap race wishing you could find someone to sail against. Where handicap racing excels is at weekends like the one just gone- bringing people together from different classes for fun racing and 'festival sailing' in summer regattas. But no, there's no way I'll give up time with my family for a pursuit race, I certainly wouldn't bother dragging a boat down the M40 to Queen Mary or across to Leicestershire for one either. ------------- |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 11:53am
cunning plan Pierre... do you know one that weighs in at 3 kilos? If so, I can remove the lead to make room for it. ------------- |
Posted By: ex laser
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 12:28pm
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Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 12:38pm
Possibly one of these http://heatal.com/dogs/dog_house_heater.html - http://heatal.com/dogs/dog_house_heater.html |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 12:54pm
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have they weighted it so much in some sort of attempt to make the event different from the Tiger (I notice they dropped the Sunday handicap race) ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 1:30pm
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I can only assume so Al, although I think back in the days when God was a lad, just prior to Jack Holt designing the Solo, Draycote used to have some pretentious establishment prize run on pursuit races, invitation only... the pursuit race is a way to modernise that, make it more 21st century, all-inclusive so to speak. Or that's how I understand it anyway. I personally would like to see the Pursuit Race dropped completely, or run as a 'add on' for those that want to make a weekend out of it. (although I'd have no issues guests staying on and enjoying normal club racing for the Sunday... treat it like a showcase for the club racing we have on offer). But for most folks, it's too cold to camp. It's too miserable to pull on wet kit on a Sunday morning. Saturday looked like fun, Sunday sounded horrendous and most of our 'home entrants' didn't even bother showing up for the pursuit race. Time to capitalise on the great bits, and dump the rubbish bits... and if we're talking wish list, a w/l feet please, not enough asymmetric boats out there imho. The original thread prior to the event being launched is here: http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5943&PN=1&title=big-dinghy-event - http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5943&PN=1&title=big-dinghy-event ------------- |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 3:39pm
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Is that Lasernut I see up there in 5th place at that Draycote dash, nice to see FOM warriors up there in the rankings even though it's in Banditextremsis...
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Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 4:18pm
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I understand that Bootscooter Jnr enjoyed himself and did well for a 13 yr old in a Radial. Nice set of photos linked earlier - any chance of getting them unprotected and copyable please? ------------- |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 4:39pm
Indeed it is our very own Lasernut... ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: LASERNUT
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 5:14pm
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When i'm sailing on 1118 handicap its a bit easier! ------------- Sailmakers https://morgan-sails.com/ |
Posted By: Fraggle
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 5:20pm
So surely you should be winning if its so easy then... ------------- |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 5:55pm
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Sounds like a good sail was had by many, if not all, shame to have missed it, spent the whole w'end feeling wrotten courtesy of some nasty bug or other. Suprised we haven't had the traditional winter rant by *** yet about 'lack of progress in dinghy design' ... top 10 made up of RS600, MR, Phantom, Laser, Osprey, 505 and Scorpions... I see there were some skiffs (sorry, don't subscribe to the view that the RS600 is one) but they obviously didn't figure overall, and the flying moths were a bit 'sub-optimal' as well over the w'end
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Posted By: LASERNUT
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 6:03pm
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Must have been too many rums on sat night...or too few! ------------- Sailmakers https://morgan-sails.com/ |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 6:19pm
Plenty of skiff Moth in its lineage... |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 26 Nov 12 at 7:06pm
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And a Musto skiff won two races on Saturday ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 27 Nov 12 at 12:46pm
I like the 600, and appreciate the heritage (was there the day it was 'drawn' up on the quay at RSWSC) but it ain't no skiff, anymore than a modern Moth is... take the point about the <well sailed> MPS winning two races as well... I was commenting on the overall results. Its interesting that the Laser, Osprey and Scorpions got in there amongst the 'usual suspects' ; MR, Phantom, 505. All great boats and un-doubtably, well sailed, as were the others who figured with race wins. It will be interesting to see how this develops, for now my money would be on a MR or Phantom to scoop the series win, although conditions may come into play and allow a skiff to get into the mix further down the line.
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Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 27 Nov 12 at 12:53pm
'Skiff' moth refers to 'pointy bow boat shape' compared to the 'Scow' moth shaped like a door. 
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Posted By: Ruscoe
Date Posted: 27 Nov 12 at 12:54pm
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The series scoring system is flawed if you are in a smaller fleet at somewhere like the Stevie Nick of GGP, the assy fleet as an example is smaller and as such you score more points even if you win your respective fleet. My money would be on a Phantom, Merlin handicap has had a big kicking! Can't see anything faster than a Merlin winning the whole series to be honest. ------------- |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 27 Nov 12 at 2:55pm
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I'm not sure - Pete (600) came 6th overall last year and i think was top ten the year before. Steve Nics is his home lake too. I think it depends upon the wind conditions - enough breeze for him to wire offwind and he'll be there or there abouts ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |