14 days does seem a bit short notice

Sour grapes perhaps?

I wonder if that might have something to do with it.

That was my view on first reading, maybe lease terms haven't been met, who knows?  However if it is a short sharp 'two weeks and get off' and there's no preliminary communication/eviction protocol, well it seems unethical to me.  I would have thought that with all the planning applications, architects, landscape designers etc there was ample opportunity for more time to be offered to the club to enable them to relocate in a measured manner.

Time to talk to Rutland Water SC....

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Company Search looks a bit dodgy on first glance

We are still negotiating our lease but the landlord says there may be an option to buy the freehold (as it is a development company who were intending to fill part of the lake and put housing on it, this is not going to happen now).

It's a shell, and it's address is given as a sailing club since August, one way to increase your assets I guess, I've tried looking for more and have only come across something called lodge investments trading from the channel islands and my search package doesn't extend to offshore outfits, either way I'd be pointing the lack of assets and trading to the council, in this climate these things are not exactly rocking with the shortage of mortgage funding..

I have to say, I would have thought it would be in their interests to 'dig in' and fight, hell the problems you have clearing Pikeys when they move in on you, how can it be so simple to shift a decent and law abiding sailing club which is an asset to a given community, weekend lodge dwellers or otherwise. There has to be more to this, maybe they are trying to establish a precedent that there is no legal title to be there, I'm not an expert, but if something has been in place for 42 years and is bricks and mortar, I'm sure it's not that simple to shift.

That 'possession is nine parts of the law' how does that work? I wonder if they've even asked to see proof of the ownership rights, sillier things have happened..

I still think the timing and notice period stinks, but if he owns the land then it's his right to turn into a luxury fishing retreat if he so desires.

True, but surely if you're going to invest anything with any company, most people would check the veracity of that company and there is no way you're going to spend a penny with a business who's net worth is £1.

Kids go online these days and check accounts before they go to work for businesses, at least the business savvy types do...

It's a fool who would attempt to market property from a business structured like that...

At the very least..

Personally I'd invite some 'Travellers' onto the site as a last charitable act before they left...

I wonder if they built the clubhouse themselves, almost certainly they should level it as a final act..

I bet they also have an accumulation of old boats they need dealing with, hmm I wonder if they need some help..

Show me another example of a two week eviction notice having  been served and meekly accepted without a fight.

Also sign the petition, show your support. It may make no difference but it may help the club find a new home.

http://mmsc2012.epetitions.net/ - http://mmsc2012.epetitions.net/

Befriend them on Facebook and write on the wall:

http://www.facebook.com/celticlakes.frisby - http://www.facebook.com/celticlakes.frisby

Polite of course but firm in your disapproval.

The club did apparently have a lease that expired in July this year. They were advised that the lease would not be renewed and there was no 'extension' clause in it to complicate matters.

Since then they were there as part of a 'gentlemens agreement' until they could secure a new home.

There were lots of other issues with other waters users too which was part of the reason the lease was not renewed.

How much truth there is in this I do not know. It does, however, illustrate that there is another side to the story. Make of it what you will......

We may have an opportunity to do that for our lake soon. It depends on where the lease negotiations go really.

Our club has a very good relationship with the fishermen. They don't fish during race times and we keep clear of their lines when not racing.  

They often fish overnight from our land which provides us with additional security - there have been a few times that they have seen off undesirables in the middle of the night.

I can work both ways.

It can but it takes effort on both sides. There are some on both sides on our lake who want to disrupt the other activity. We have a better handle on it now and ensure we stick to our part of the lease.

Good to hear you have it sorted John. We are hoping we can get the freehold for our lake and include the fishing rights. We can then either lease them out ourselves or simply not exercise them at all.

Agreed, I worked hard to build up good relations with the fishermen at my local club. I used to walk the lake two or three times a year and tell them why the boats come inshore when they are racing and also say we will help to recover lost gear. One chap was really grateful to be able to come out in the rescue boat(with suitable BA of course) and search for his rod which a fish had swum off with. He landed the fish into the boat took a pic of it and put it back.

Unfortunately with fishing revenues dropping off at this lake the bailiff has gone back to blaming the boats for the loss of income. Nothing to do with the otters eating all the fish of course.

 

 

If any of them live a little further south-west of Melton, they'd be very welcome at Draycote also.  We're looking for new members too.

http://www.draycotewater.co.uk - http://www.draycotewater.co.uk

So that's two clubs offering both fleet and handicap racing, as well as lots of water access (364 days per year at both AIUI) 

According to Y&Y, Wanlip SC...

The facebook comment on the y&Y article is interesting.  Very rational post from a fisherman - but then you notice he is flicking the Vs.

The other thing that people are missing is that upsetting fish botherers or not there is still a commercial driver behind this.  I suspect anglers=excuse, moolah=reason.

As a recent member of Rutland, I was really surprised what a family friendly club it has become. 

I had thought Melton Mowbray sailing club had been at risk for some time, remember some rumours a while back. 

It is a real shame, these smaller clubs are often fantastic, friendly and great fun. I hope similar clubs will try to nail down their leases as a result.

Andy

 

There's Hollowell that isn't too far South and is a smallish puddle......very close to where Naseby SC used to be but British Waterways said they had to drain the pond to work on the dam so the club folded........nearly ten years later I don't think they ever did drain it!

Reading the forum there are lots of questions, but basically its "why?" so I'll try and enlighten you.

Lease: MMSC have not been able to get a lease out of the landowners since the original one expired in the 1980's. The land was "sold" underneath us to celtic lakes with planning permission to develop fishing lodges. We do not know the precise details of the deal but believes its something along the lines of CL must pay a annual fee, build the lodges and commit to pay the land in its entirety at a predetermined date. I understand that deadline was extended this year but to when is unknown.

The reason to evict: The club was told it was because of our failure to object to an application for public right of way on footpaths around the lake which Celtic lakes had blocked. In the local paper CL tell a different story that we were incompatible with fishing. My opinion, CL no longer needed our rent cheque and wished to exploit its planning permission to redevelop the club house into a bar and restaurant.

The 14 day notice and why we left: We had a case to fight the notification in court as having a business tenancy, but that would only have extended the notice period to 6-12 months and still no access to the water, and depleted the clubs funds without a certain prospect of success. Secondly we the notice threatened to  deem "unwanted" any property left so CL would seize it, since the fishery has a live in presence we took a very difficult decision to move the clubs assets. Coupled with this the owner of CL is being investigated by a welsh police force for some sort of fraud, (that force has taken a few statement in Melton) so we did trust him one bit.

but a bit more history is that the club house was built by public money (the then Severn Trent water authority) in 1984, so Celtic Lakes and seized a bit of everyone's taxes to boot

 

Can they deal with the 'killer shrimps' then?

If they grow to 6'+, what the hell can they find to eat in a small lake, other than a floundering Solo sailor?

the key thing with fishing rights is that  if you can get them  get them and manage them to the advantage of  ALL water users ... 

if  the water is reasonably stocked  and the fisherpersons  made aware   that  part of the reason the water is there and successfully managed is because of cooperation of all water users ...  it can be a boon in proving community use and  can be beneficial from  the point of view of  relatively friendly pairs of eyes around the water  almost 24/7 ... 

from a community use point of view  the more potential users you can get the better, as  you run the risk if  you  acquire all the rights but only run sailing that people paint it as toffs  only using the water for 6 hours a week ...   remember when dealing with  local councillors and the like all sense goes out the windows.