ETNZ 72 foiling - 35+ knots
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Topic: ETNZ 72 foiling - 35+ knots
Posted By: pondscum
Subject: ETNZ 72 foiling - 35+ knots
Date Posted: 06 Sep 12 at 4:53pm
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http://tvnz.co.nz/sailing-news/team-new-zealand-take-flight-video-5067053 - http://tvnz.co.nz/sailing-news/team-new-zealand-take-flight-video-5067053
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Posted By: stewart smith
Date Posted: 06 Sep 12 at 9:56pm
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35 knots....That is faster than the rescue boats at my sailing club! Where do you sail? ------------- Stewart Smith |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 07 Sep 12 at 5:20am
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Surely the point is moot. They are going to race on a 3nm course, they can afford lots of rescue boats, generally, when requiring outside assistance, you are no longer travelling at 35 knots...
------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: catmandoo
Date Posted: 07 Sep 12 at 9:01am
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Tornados can reach speeds like that , nothing ground breaking yet other than its a huge moster to be flying , Not sure rescue boats having to travel at same speeds is a requirement anyway , chase boats for filming , umpiring yes, but plenty of boats capable for that . Infact remember as a youff was in awe of icarus , a foiling tornado , which was pretty much perfected, but not really any faster than a standard boat , heady recollections can be vastly wrong however . Still if they can get an ac 72 flying still hope for my lardy ass ------------- |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 07 Sep 12 at 2:00pm
The ETNZ rib has 1200 bhp on the back and can do 58 knots. I think they will be ok  ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 07 Sep 12 at 2:09pm
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aye, not even Vestas Sailrocket 2 can yet outrun that. Yet.
Also, safety boats don't actually need to "keep up". They just need to have a decent "response time". ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 07 Sep 12 at 3:05pm
Alternatively can the jury just sit behind a monitor and use all the video and data feeds from the boats. ------------- Bonnie Lass Contender 1764 |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 09 Sep 12 at 9:18pm
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Yawn..... Don't get me wrong, the "boats" rock and I'd flipping lov a go, however as far as a racing spectacle it will be dire, at best. As recently well proven at the Olympics and by the last Americas Cup travesty, evenly matched, relatively slow, boats provide the best closest racing. |
Posted By: stewart smith
Date Posted: 09 Sep 12 at 9:28pm
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There was no cats at the Olympics. The most boring fleet to watch was the ultra slow Star. I presume that getafix has managed to miss the AC 45s on his computer. ------------- Stewart Smith |
Posted By: blueboy
Date Posted: 10 Sep 12 at 6:41am
| I've watched quite a bit of AC45 racing, on YouTube and at Plymouth. I've watched the Women's Match Racing on iPlayer and at Weymouth. The latter was better racing, with more place changes and generally more engaging by miles. The contrast comprehensively demolishes the argument that the fastest boats make the most exciting racing for the spectator except, perhaps, for the channel surfer who watches for 30 seconds before switching back to the footie. |
Posted By: blueboy
Date Posted: 10 Sep 12 at 7:00am
You don't see Jury boats motoring after the AC45s either and the experiment of putting umpires on jet skis has been quietly dropped. |
Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 10 Sep 12 at 5:42pm
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The most boring fleet to watch was the ultra slow Star. I presume that getafix has managed to miss the AC 45s on his computer. I found watching the Stars gripping. The AC45s at Plymouth were good spectator sport too, but a lot of that was about spectacular capsizes, near misses etc., whereas with the slower boats at the Olympics there's far more to see and appreciate about the tactics, strategy and just great sailing. ------------- Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59 |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 10 Sep 12 at 7:10pm
Nope, didn't miss the AC45's or the "extreme series" and I thought that was great stuff, really well shot and produced*. I'm not sure what you mean by the Star racing being boring at the Olympics; it went down, litterally, to the last pump on the very last wave in a just-the-bow-fitting-overlap being the difference between gold and silver.... I'm damn sure that AC organisers will be quite willing to swap several limbs for that kind of racing in the next edition of the auld mug (you know, the kind of thing we saw in 12m's and IAAC boats and has been sadly lacking since). *the problem, for me, in scaling up to 72's from the 45's is that you'll lose the inherent maneuouverability with the increase in length and loads and that effectively you'll be lucky if you don't get a half-ar$ed stand-off instead of a dial-up pre-start followed by a drag race to one side of the course and a v.boring procession round the rest of the race, barring mechanical or handling failures, given the first boat to round clear at the windward mark will extend so far (and fast) over the other, that the racing will basically be over, unless both boats round practically in each others pockets
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Posted By: Owenfackrell
Date Posted: 26 Oct 12 at 10:55am
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ENTZ have relaesed a blog about capsize recovery after the oracle incident and they have stated that they only have one chase boat that can hope to keep up with the big cat due to them having to slow as the sea state and wind increase where as the cat the just takes off.
http://emirates-team-new-zealand.americascup.com/news/47928/47928 - http://emirates-team-new-zealand.americascup.com/news/47928/47928
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 26 Oct 12 at 1:30pm
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That's a facinating and suprisingly open article ------------- -_ Al |