When will the 2013 rules come into effect?
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Topic: When will the 2013 rules come into effect?
Posted By: GarethT
Subject: When will the 2013 rules come into effect?
Date Posted: 31 Aug 12 at 11:25am
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Anyone who answers "2013" is really clever ;-)
I'm reviewing SIs for a series that runs summer to summer, so wondering if the rules could change mid series and how that should be captured.
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Posted By: Thunder Road
Date Posted: 31 Aug 12 at 11:42am
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Why not just specify 2008-12 rules for the whole series in the SIs and leave it, after all they have been a reasonable edition and the books concerning the interpritation of any new rules won't be out until well into 2013 when people have had time to worry about implications of changes. Do you really want to be the first to use and understand changes, I certainly don't! ------------- Finn GBR16 Thunder Road. |
Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 31 Aug 12 at 11:58am
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That might be the best approach, but if everyone else else is using new rules from January then perhaps it isn't - hence the enquiry.
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 31 Aug 12 at 12:01pm
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The rules officially come into force for any "event" starting on or after 1st January 2013. There will be top level ISAF events that month using those rules. I'd happily use those rules in January- they will have been published a few months earlier.
Now, of course, a "series" could easily be seen as "event", which would mean Thunder Road's idea of saying that the 2009-2012 rules apply throughout has merit. However, several months in that may cause some confusion, especially if there's a change to the "when boats meet" section (such as the alteration of the "zone" in the last edition).
I'd suggest that you say that 2009-2012 rules apply to races sailed on or before 31st December, and that 2013-2016 rules apply for races sailed on or after 1st January, but that any issues regarding the conduct of the series will refer to the 2009-2012 rules (scoring etc!) ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 31 Aug 12 at 12:06pm
| The 'series' in question is a ladder using scores from individual events, so I think that final paragraph looks perfect. Thanks. |
Posted By: Presuming Ed
Date Posted: 31 Aug 12 at 12:06pm
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From the current rules. Revision The racing rules are revised and published every four years by the International Sailing Federation (ISAF), the international authority for the sport. This edition becomes effective on 1 January 2009 except that for an event beginning in 2008 the date may be postponed by the notice of race and sailing instructions. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 31 Aug 12 at 12:45pm
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So you don't actually have too many choices judging by that: individual events in 2009 had to be run under 2009 rules, and presumably the same will apply in 2013.
Will you be using anything from the ISAF rules in the part of your SIs that refers to scoring anyway? If so it would probably make sense to simply cut and paste the text from the old RRS rather than refer to them. If in doubt I suggest you email the RYA in the name of the club and ask for advice. Their rules experts will have a pretty shrewed idea of what's going to be changing anyway. |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 31 Aug 12 at 12:53pm
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Does anyone know what the changes are likely to be? ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 31 Aug 12 at 5:12pm
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I believe boats which are monhulls at the front but cats at the back are going to be banned. Or maybe that was under the Geneva Convention... ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 31 Aug 12 at 6:25pm
Won't they have to dream up some rules for kitesurf racing PDQ?
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Posted By: Presuming Ed
Date Posted: 31 Aug 12 at 8:13pm
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If you want, you can go through the submissions to the racing rules committee meeting last November at the ISAF annual meeting. Then you check the minutes to see what the RRC approved, and then check council minutes to see what made it through council. Then AIUI the various RWPs give a final edit and polish. The biggest change will be to Section C of Part 2. There are already rules for kitesurfing. Appendix BB. http://www.sailing.org/classesandequipment/19935.php - http://www.sailing.org/classesandequipment/19935.php
According to Amazon.co.uk, the 13-16 version of The Rules in Practice by Bryan Willis will be out in a couple of weeks.
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Posted By: Brass
Date Posted: 01 Sep 12 at 12:28am
Since the ISAF website was rejigged, I can use the structured to get a list of Submissions>Racing Rules Committee>2011, but the links displayed are all broken. PEd, do you have any clues about this (or would you have a zipfile with the submissions)?
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Posted By: gordon
Date Posted: 01 Sep 12 at 9:37am
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I read through many of the submission some time ago. There is a rewrite of rule 18 in the offing, which does not change anything (until the team racers have a go at it!) but makes the rule easier to read. There is a move to generalise the use of hand signals (as in match racing) when rule 20 Room to Tack applies. A few annoying details may creep in - like making the orange flag 10 mins before first start compulsory. We shall see what gets through - I suspect that delegates will be more concerned with bringing back sailing for light heavyweights to the Olympics (welcome back the Star) and the board/kite debate! ------------- Gordon |
Posted By: Presuming Ed
Date Posted: 01 Sep 12 at 10:25am
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Just remembered: did it all here for part 2 and some defns: http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=127751&view=findpost&p=3517296 - http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=127751&view=findpost&p=3517296 There is a typo in that post in that the first phrase of 18.3 should be crossed out as it's the current rule. There is also other stuff coming - not throwing rubbish overboard and having to comply with TSS rules are the two that I remember off the top of my head. For past ISAF meetings info, go isaf.com/meetings/archive
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Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 01 Sep 12 at 4:02pm
Thanks for that. 4 versions in 3 years! and an acknowledgement that it is 'experimental', they have got it well sorted for 2016 then
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