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Topic: British Keelboat Academy
Posted By: Mister Nick
Subject: British Keelboat Academy
Date Posted: 01 Jun 12 at 9:37am
I'm thinking of applying, so I was just wondering if anyone had any tips or advice before I put my application in? Thanks guys! :)



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Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 01 Jun 12 at 1:07pm
Not to bother, unless you want to spend your weekends paying to sail knackered j80s.  

It could be worth it if you get on the 45, but i have heard mixed reviews about that squad too.  

The 109 campaign is successful but at the end of the day its a 109, not the most inspiring boat.  

You would learn a lot more going and sailing on different boats with different people for a year.  You would save yourself a lot of money, have more to put on your sailing CV than just a few mid to bottom fleet j80 results and be able to choose when you want to sail, not every weekend when they drag you over to cowes for a "team building exercise"! 

I don't rate the squad particularly, there are some good sailors there but I dont really see what they are trying to achieve.


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Posted By: BKA_squad_coach
Date Posted: 01 Jun 12 at 5:42pm
I'm sorry to here that you don't approve of the BKA, which year were you in the Squad?

I am the new BKA Squad coach and have been involved for the past 2 months. I'm originally from Torpoint near Plymouth and have sailed all my life. Growing up in a small town, there were few opportunities to get into the professional yacht racing industry, so I moved to Cowes and worked as a professional yachtmaster at the UKSA. It was there I started following, what is now called the British Keelboat Academy.

The BKA bridge the gap between dinghy
yacht racing. During the squad training, we focus on shorebased and on water training, as well as fitness and team work. Many of the sailors come from single handed dinghies and need to learn the skills to work in a successful team.

As for the boats, we have very generous owners that lend us their boats to compete in some of the best events in the UK. We have 2 teams heading to the J80 world championships, the J109 team have just been selected for the commodores cup and the Farr 45 team have just won class 1 in the Vice Admirals Cup.

Sometimes the boats aren't perfect, but we coach the sailors to repair the breakages.

Some of the squad sailors go on to a professional racing career, others go on to other industries but take the skills they learnt at the BKA.

Please check out our website for more info or the latest news, photos and results on our Facebook page.

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BKA Squad Coach

http://www.facebook.com/BritishKeelboatAcademy
https://twitter.com/#!/tweetBKA


Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 04 Jun 12 at 9:56pm
I have never been in the squad, I am purely stating that as a way to get into successful racing I think getting to know the right people is more important.  The best way to do this is not to spend weekends doing classroom work and fitness and teambuilding work. 

I am definitely not blaming the squad for the boats not being perfect. I think it is impressive that the RYA have got probably £500k of boat on the water for the squad to sail, albeit largely with the help of Ran Racing.  What is happening on the water is promising and there are some good sailors in there.

My point still remains that the BKA isn't the only way to get into big boats and onto successful teams.  I chose not to go down that route and have been a part of a number of successful crews over the last few years.  

A few years back there was a BKA slogan which read "It's not who you know, it's what you know".  This is completely true about getting into the squad.  That's fine, but to get onto the teams you have to know the people, otherwise they wont know to offer you a spot! 

You just have to remember that there are other ways to get where you want to go! If the BKA is the one you want to choose then go for it, neither route is a bad choice! However, as I said before, I don't really see what the squad offers after you are no longer in it, there seems to be no real goal.  The dinghy squads have the olympics, what are the BKA aiming for?




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Posted By: lukemccarthy
Date Posted: 06 Jun 12 at 9:05am
A few comments as head coach of the BKA...

Firstly, I would absolutely agree that the BKA is not the only way to get into top level yacht and keelboat racing. It is, however, a proven way for a range of sailors, many of them from dinghy backgrounds, to quickly and effectively make the transition.

In terms of our own boats (Farr 45, J109 and J80s as you suggest): the J109 recently qualified for the Commodores Cup, the Farr 45 recently won it's class at the Vice Admirals Cup and two J80s are going to the J80 Worlds in Dartmouth next week. The J80s are aiming for mid fleet positions which, considering many of these sailors had no keelboat experience before last Sept is pretty impressive!

As you say, the reality of yacht racing is you have to know the right owners/teams so, as well as our own campaigns,  we work closely with a number of owners to get squad members onto other boats. We have several requests each week for good crew!

We also have very positive relationships with a range of professional sailing teams including Ran Racing, an RC44 team (where several sailors have been lucky enough to attend a regatta each as part of the shore team) and previously with Volvo Ocean Race and America's Cup teams. As well as opportunities to get into the professional side of the sport, these relationships also allow the squad members to get advice and coaching from some of the country's top professional sailors. 

You talk about destinations/goals... Around 25 of the past squad sailors are now working as professional sailors including on the World Match Racing Tour, America's Cup World Series, Volvo Ocean Race and TP52 circuit. A further seven are members of the Artemis Offshore Academy. Around 40 more are working in the industry (shore crew, sailmakers, etc), and many of these will, in time, become professional sailors. (note that, for all these, I am talking about the previous  RYA Keelboat Programme and UKSA Yacht Racing Academy schemes as well as the BKA, as the BKA has only been going two years).


Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 06 Jun 12 at 11:59pm
I completely agree, not saying there aren't a lot of sailors who have come through the squad and are in professional roles at all because I know a lot who have done this.  

My point is that compared to dinghies, where the only way to get selected for the olympics is to do the RYA squad system and qualify that way, the BKA doesn't really qualify you for anything by default.  It would be nice if there was an RYA team entered to the WMRT or something like that each year which was the target for all the members of the squad, something which you could only get to by going through the squad, if that makes sense?

I guess my situation was different to most of the squad where I have always been brought up in both dinghies and yachts so have always had the experience of both.  If I did not have any keelboat experience at all then it would probably be more appealing to me.  



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