How to beach a brand new boat ?
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Topic: How to beach a brand new boat ?
Posted By: RoundTheBow
Subject: How to beach a brand new boat ?
Date Posted: 18 Jan 12 at 2:23pm
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Here's the situation: If I have a brand new _single hander_ boat straight out of the showroom. I race at club A normally, and often also at club B that is about 1Km up the coast. So how would I sail up to club B and sign on with no launch trolley (it is a stone/gravel shore) ? Thoughts: 1. Take some old carpet / lino with me and haul up on that. 2. Borrow a trolley when I get there  3. Ask a nice person to hold my shiny new craft while I sign on. 4. Call in at Club B on the way to Club A and try to sign in well in advance. 5. Take a VHF ! Hmm.. |
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Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 18 Jan 12 at 2:25pm
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Option 6 - buy another new boat and keep one at each club. ------------- Bonnie Lass Contender 1764 |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 18 Jan 12 at 2:32pm
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7 - email club b and ask themwhat you can do. I am sure someone will have an idea. I'd say 5 is the best bet anyway.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 18 Jan 12 at 2:52pm
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Do a GRF and just dump it on the gravel - ouch...
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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 18 Jan 12 at 2:54pm
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8. anyone got that photo of Graeme's brand new RS100 being dragged up Hythe beach.... the moral of the story, f*ck it, it'll get a scratch eventually.
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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 18 Jan 12 at 3:13pm
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Run it up the beach and step out onto dry land, is there any other way? There was this guy at our club he wouldn't come ashore unless there were enough folk to carry him and the boat off the water and onto the trailer, haven't seen much of him lately, think he's still out there... somewhere.. I tried to get some of the young dumb and dumberers trained to walk in carrying me and the RS100 until I floated off, offered to buy them snorkels and everything, they very unreasonably refused, no respect kids today..
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Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 18 Jan 12 at 4:04pm
Is this him?  |
Posted By: THUNT
Date Posted: 18 Jan 12 at 4:36pm
| Stop at club B whilst driving past (if you are!) and sign on and then drive to Club A, rig up and go sailing!! |
Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 18 Jan 12 at 4:42pm
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I'm assuming you have another dilemma in signing off (and within some sort of time limit)? Perhaps an approach to the Race committee of club B with the issue might allow some sort of workable arrangement to be put in place.
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Posted By: RoundTheBow
Date Posted: 18 Jan 12 at 6:37pm
| Andymac, reckon that's the best option. Maybe they could lay a red carpet over the slipway :) |
Posted By: patj
Date Posted: 18 Jan 12 at 8:45pm
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Phone either club B or a friend there to sign you in before launching from club A?? |
Posted By: James Bell
Date Posted: 18 Jan 12 at 10:01pm
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Use a compact anchor & line to anchor it just off the beach, or capsize just before the shore & lift/or pull the boat up the beach on its side (less surface area to potentially damage). ------------- IOS Sailing Community - http://www.iossc.org.uk/" rel="nofollow - www.iossc.org.uk |
Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 18 Jan 12 at 10:07pm
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James, That sounds distinctly like Seamanship - get the hence unclean one
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Posted By: Jon711
Date Posted: 18 Jan 12 at 11:14pm
Do you really expect a small singlehander to lie, upright, to an anchor? Not even sure a SoSlo would stay upright!! My thought is take the handheld waterproof floating VHF afloat, and enter on that. I have done that somewhere, but really struggling to remember where!! Old age is setting in, I will soon start rambling like GRF!! Jon ------------- Blaze 711 |
Posted By: RoundTheBow
Date Posted: 19 Jan 12 at 6:38am
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James, you could have a point there, so long as the main is dropped. Also a small buoy so that I could leave it domewhere during the race. My uncle uses an old brake disk for his fishing dory as its v rocky where he is.
Jon, at least any scratches would only happen to the deck, not the all important shiny bottom! One issue with the VHF is finding out the course. Though normally I am nowhere near the front, so can just follow the leader. And I don't think a new boat is going to change that state of affairs. |
Posted By: James Bell
Date Posted: 19 Jan 12 at 10:32am
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Re: lie upright - depends on the boat and conditions, I think undoing the clew so the boom wasn't directly attached to the sail would help (if the main can't be lowered). It's something I do on my 4000 when coming ashore, to help stablise it (a boat that inherently wants to fall over when not moving). Guess it would be something you would have to try beforehand. ------------- IOS Sailing Community - http://www.iossc.org.uk/" rel="nofollow - www.iossc.org.uk |
Posted By: James Bell
Date Posted: 19 Jan 12 at 10:48am
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Actually a further thought re: the buoy suggestion - anchor the boat, capsize it, tie the buoy to the top of the mast to stop it inverting, sign on, return, attach the buoy to the anchor line, right the boat and sail off lol ------------- IOS Sailing Community - http://www.iossc.org.uk/" rel="nofollow - www.iossc.org.uk |
Posted By: ham4sand
Date Posted: 19 Jan 12 at 10:51am
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dont undo the boom! your sail will die very quickly! if you leave sail up, but enought kicker and oputhaul on to stop flogging, plenty of singlehanders will lie fine with a sail up jon : lasers, solos, phantoms, etc! ------------- John Hamilton cherub 2645 - cheese before bedtime cherub 3209 - anatidaephobia laser 176847 - kiss this [FORSALE] |
Posted By: skslr
Date Posted: 19 Jan 12 at 6:28pm
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Posted By: Hughph
Date Posted: 19 Jan 12 at 6:55pm
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To the OP Can I ask what new singlehander you have bought? ------------- |
Posted By: RoundTheBow
Date Posted: 19 Jan 12 at 7:20pm
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RS 100 ....
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Posted By: Hughph
Date Posted: 19 Jan 12 at 7:25pm
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Best thing I to do IMO is if you can drive past the club on the way to the other club to sign on, don't even bother with the beaching... ------------- |
Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 19 Jan 12 at 9:03pm
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Buy a second trolley to leave at the other club, stored up on its end against a wall somewhere it would not take up any space. All depends on what the layout of the club is and how far it would be from the water if you stored it like this. ------------- |
Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 19 Jan 12 at 9:34pm
Well done! Bleeding obvious answer, why didn't the rest of us say it first?
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Posted By: Heccie Thump
Date Posted: 21 Jan 12 at 7:57am
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I'm with THUNT. Stop at the second club on your way in, sign up, then go on to your main site and get on the water. Alternatively, go to your main club a little earlier and get ready, then take a stroll up the coast to sign on. If it is only 1km away it can't take more than 30 mins for the round trip. |
Posted By: MikeBz
Date Posted: 23 Jan 12 at 10:42am
Umm, what are you going to do with your boat whilst you go and get the trolley? Get someone to hold it for you? Might as well sign on while you're collecting the trolley...
Mike
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Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 23 Jan 12 at 11:36am
Ahem, yep, I've overlooked that the whole reason was to sign on... Of course you're right if it was a quick task... If it was to use club facilities during say a lunch break between races then perhaps the 2nd trolley idea is spot on.
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Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 23 Jan 12 at 3:44pm
As I said, this all depends on the layout of the club and its dinghy parks... Chances are there will be some people rigging their boats on the beach who would happily hold your boat or go grab your trolley. Also I assume it isnt just signing on which is the problem but also signing off. So the trolley makes more sense if it is used twice each time you sail. Perhaps if you go round there one day and have a beer with some of the sailors and hint that it would be nice if one of them could walk your trolley down each day when they arrived at the club to rig up. I'm sure someone would help you out. We have a similar problem at our club where the sailors from the club on the other side of the river come and join in with our dinghy racing. They usually provide a RIB for safety cover so the rib delivers a sheet to the club which all of their sailors have used to sign on. This works very well. My other question would be why do you not keep your boat at the other club? ------------- |
Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 28 Jan 12 at 2:35pm
| VHF radio- simples |
Posted By: Jon711
Date Posted: 28 Jan 12 at 2:45pm
Now, you mean as I suggested a page ago???  It appears great minds think alike, some just take longer to get there .
Jon ------------- Blaze 711 |
Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 28 Jan 12 at 3:11pm
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Posted By: Jon711
Date Posted: 28 Jan 12 at 3:27pm
Have you checked on the legality of using a private channel?? All clubs should be using Ch37 (M1) or M2? These channels are available on all handhelds and standalones... If you are using something different, then in a major problem, the RNLI may not be able to contact you. Has a risk assessment been done on using a different frequency to the rest of the sailing world?? Jon ------------- Blaze 711 |
Posted By: patj
Date Posted: 29 Jan 12 at 7:43am
When you're on a pond in the middle of England the RNLI only contact you for money!
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Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 29 Jan 12 at 9:19am
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I am sure we have checked with Ofcom and/or the RYA. Not sure as I have not been fully involved. They are also tuned to the private channel by a commercial company. One reason I think we use this is because most of our members do not hold a valid VHF licence and it is not needed for a private channel.
We can still contact the RNLI using the other channels you mention as they are not blocked in any way. Despite being a sea sailing club we still only use a very small area of water. ------------- Bonnie Lass Contender 1764 |
Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 29 Jan 12 at 11:07am
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They are also tuned to the private channel by a commercial company. One reason I think we use this is because most of our members do not hold a valid VHF licence and it is not needed for a private channel.
You don't need a personal VHF licence to use CH37, though you do need a boat licence. ------------- Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59 |
Posted By: Jon711
Date Posted: 29 Jan 12 at 11:48am
You are correct, to a degree... If you do use channel 37, then by law you must have a licence,or be supervised by someone who has... But we are talking about a private channel, and we do not know for sure, that we are discussing VHF..... Although, I suspect we are.... Jon ------------- Blaze 711 |
Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 29 Jan 12 at 12:58pm
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Ofcom think differently: I know we were talking about private channels, though I do accept that I assumed that we were talking about VHF (I suspect correctly). My point was that there is no certification advantage in not using Ch37 - it's intended for exactly this sort of purpose, and is more likely to be monitored by the RNLI than a private one (which was what was being discussed above), and less likely to lead you into interesting legal issues about bandwidth use. The issue you face in either case is what do you do when an uncertified crew are on a motor boat, as if frequently the case for us, and a serious emergency arises. Our view is that if they need to use Ch16 they should and they or the Club are unlikely to face sanction if they do in that situation. Thankfully, we've never had to test this out! ------------- Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59 |
Posted By: bustinben
Date Posted: 29 Jan 12 at 6:00pm
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Capsize it then dump it on the land on the gunwhale. Works with a a laser! |
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Date Posted: 30 Jan 12 at 3:57pm
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 30 Jan 12 at 4:02pm
Six people to carry a Musto? We can do the b14s with three easy!  ------------- -_ Al |
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Date Posted: 30 Jan 12 at 4:08pm
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Posted By: James Bell
Date Posted: 30 Jan 12 at 4:32pm
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Carrying an Osprey ashore, lol 
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