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Topic: Help with painting my heron

Posted By: doomie22
Subject: Help with painting my heron
Date Posted: 21 Mar 11 at 10:45am

Hi all,

I am nearly finished removing the paint off my heron, there isn't much to fix on it so I am looking for a guide or help on how to paint the boat again. I am okay with the varnished areas, I am just not understanding all these different paints and tins that are out there.

Do I just need to do the following steps?

Antifouling - required coats

undercoat - required coats

top coat - required coats

If so, what names of tins am I looking at please?

Thank you

Doomie

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Posted By: SoggyBadger
Date Posted: 21 Mar 11 at 10:55am

You won't need antifouling. That's only for boats which are kept on moorings.

The first thing you need to do is decide which type of paint you're going to use. Basically you have the choice of "traditional" non-polyurethane, one-pot polyurethane or two-pack polyurethane. Do you know which type was used originally?

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Best wishes from deep in the woods

SB

Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 21 Mar 11 at 11:12am

You don't want antofouling unless it lives on a mooring.

You almost certainly don't want to use two pot on a boat of some age, and definitely not if there is the slightest trace of original paint.

So IMHO you should be looking at single pot polyurethane. Blakes and International have some pretty good guides on their websites.

I'd always used International, but have been using Blakes recently because International dropped the colour I use from their range and when I had a query I was mightily impressed with Blakes tech support.

International (www.yachtpaint.com)you want "Toplac", Blakes (now Hempel www.hempel.com) you want "Brilliant Enamel". The latter uses a combined primer undercoat which would be a saving in the number of tins required.

Posted By: doomie22
Date Posted: 21 Mar 11 at 11:36am

Thank you both, the boat was built in 1963, as for the coats that was on it, it had about 8 coats on it (the person just kept painting over old), i do not know what was used in the past but I know it has an anti fouling coat on it.

The boat will be on its trailer, it will only go in the water when I want to use it.

With the "Brilliant Enamel", do you mean that I can just put that straight on with no undercoat? I don't mind getting an undercoat and topcoat as I want to make it look really nice and don't mind the extra work.

Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 21 Mar 11 at 12:08pm

Originally posted by doomie22

With the "Brilliant Enamel", do you mean that I can just put that straight on with no undercoat?

No, its a combined undercoat and primer, so you still need an undercoat, but not a separate primer. I guess I'd probably put on two coats of the undercoat/primer and sand the first one back pretty heavily. Its handy because it means you can sand back heavily for a better finish without worrying about going back to wood on the high spots on the first coat.

Posted By: doomie22
Date Posted: 21 Mar 11 at 12:31pm

I have picked my top coat colour from blakes/hempel billiant enamel range (going for Rhapsody Blue), I am now just looking at the undercoats/primers of the same comany.

What does everyone recommend on the primer as I have found the boat primer and an epoxy primer?

Doomie

Posted By: SoggyBadger
Date Posted: 21 Mar 11 at 12:40pm

I think you want the normal (non-epoxy) primer/undercoat

http://marinestore.co.uk/HA5141X.html - http://marinestore.co.uk/HA5141X.html

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Best wishes from deep in the woods

SB

Posted By: doomie22
Date Posted: 22 Mar 11 at 12:55pm

With the Brilliant enamel range, do you do two or more coats or is it just a one coat paint?

Thanks,

Neil

Posted By: kfz
Date Posted: 22 Mar 11 at 1:21pm

see how it goes. Count on 2. 2 will be better

Kev

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Posted By: tickler
Date Posted: 25 Mar 11 at 7:44pm

I have painted many boats. I use Hammerite Garage Door paint (smooth) apply it with a brush and roll it off with a short pile mini roller intended for gloss paint.

Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 26 Mar 11 at 11:35am

Originally posted by tickler

I have painted many boats. I use Hammerite Garage Door paint (smooth) apply it with a brush and roll it off with a short pile mini roller intended for gloss paint.

Pretty much any paint will work on a dinghy, but the specialist boat paints tend to be harder wearing and look pretty for longer. The paints suggested by Jimc will certainly work well. The info on the tins will explain how to go about things, drying times, how many coats and the like. I like putting paint on with a miniroller (using a Harris varnish miniroller bit on the end) but in the end use whatever you are comfortable with. You will certainly need 4 coats, 2 of primer/undercoat and 2 of topcoat. You may need more undercoat if when you sand back you are still not happy with the finish. Best to get it all nice and smooth at the undercoat stage.

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Posted By: The Moo
Date Posted: 19 Apr 11 at 1:58pm

Sorry for coming in late but I have never considered applying top coat with a roller. What is the technique? Does it need thinning? Do you roll in one direction?

Also are there any marine/exterior top coat paints available that have a matt or low gloss finish. It always seemed such a fag applying lovely shiny paint to have to work hard cutting it back to get an even smooth "go fast" finish.

Posted By: doomie22
Date Posted: 05 May 11 at 4:46pm

Hi all,

Just a quick thing with my boat trailer.

Does anyone know what these are called as I need to buy new ones.

http://ironhorse-solutions.net/Photo03401.jpg - http://ironhorse-solutions.net/Photo03401.jpg

Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 05 May 11 at 4:58pm

Its probably just called a clamp or something. Doubtless every trailer manufacturer had their own design... Think you need to browse through umpteen trailer manufacturer websites and look at their spares section until you see something that looks as if it could work.