Instructor's thread.......?
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Topic: Instructor's thread.......?
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Subject: Instructor's thread.......?
Date Posted: 09 Jun 05 at 4:14pm
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.........or learning to sail thread would be good for the website, seems to be the only thing that's missing. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
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Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 24 Jul 05 at 8:26pm
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Haha. Will join in the instructor bit, even if it's only assistant instructor teachin babies in oppies...
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 24 Jul 05 at 8:28pm
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yeh, same here! with oppi kids parents shouting over the top of you cos they think they know better, but really they just stand around wearing musto thinking they know it all! ------------- Sailor Girl, Queen Of The Forum! |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 24 Jul 05 at 9:14pm
never a truer word said sailor girl. The parents are more competitive than the kids------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 24 Jul 05 at 9:21pm
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Yeah that is common and normaly less competant ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 24 Jul 05 at 10:13pm
Just annoying, they try and undermine the instructors! ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 25 Jul 05 at 12:34pm
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Actually our parents are quite good - we stand back n let them lift the
boats into the water... they sometimes give me funny looks when i say
i'm the instructor tho, being 14...
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 25 Jul 05 at 7:08pm
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Yeah not suprising realy. ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 11:38am
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Ellen MacArthur had the same problem although not at 14...
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 26 Jul 05 at 9:22pm
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What??? I missed the link there. I was aiming at the you have to be 16 to get an instructors cert. (well u can get assitant b4 that but you have to be accompanied by a fully qualified instructor dont u) ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 27 Jul 05 at 10:33am
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I am an assistant, n there were planty of instructors floating
around... I don't think you have to be accompanied, just acting under
orders of/being supervised.
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: Binky
Date Posted: 31 Jul 05 at 10:37pm
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That's what I do too! It's good because it means you can get
loads of experience so when you come to do the testyou find it pretty easy. (Or so I've been told, will let you know in a couple of years!) |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 31 Jul 05 at 10:49pm
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strictly speaking *cough* *cough* u hav to b 16 to b an instructor... but at 14 when i can get away with 16 - the ppl trust u... the annoying thing is the parents! there so annoying and like omg what r u doin! and i hav to say p*ss off!!! whos the instructor here????!!!! ------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: Binky
Date Posted: 01 Aug 05 at 10:35pm
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Someone said to me that you can d the cousre before you are
16 and then have it signed on your birthday but I'm not sure if its true or not |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 01 Aug 05 at 10:38pm
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Er i dont think so but theres not much point because the certificate has to go from the date the course was done even if its not fully signed off till later ( I found this out via a delayed first aid cert) ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 01 Aug 05 at 10:38pm
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Ha that's what they said they'd do to me, n i know sum1 who did that with powerboat...lol Where'd u sail binky? n every1 else? ------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 09 Aug 05 at 8:42am
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If you are U16 and instructing (without direct adult supervision) your parents need to check the clubs' insurance policy as they might be liable for any accident! ------------- Garry Lark 2252, Contender 298 www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk |
Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 09 Aug 05 at 6:01pm
whoops!  i... um... havent broken anything yet tho...------------- Sailors don't get old!!! They get a little dinghy (or skiff, or yacht...) Feva 251 RS200 1117 RS200 897 |
Posted By: *GM*
Date Posted: 09 Aug 05 at 6:46pm
| You need a L2 powerboat certificate to get an instructor certificate I think. You can do the powerboat certificate before you're 16 but it will be endorsed so it isn't in full effect until you are 16. |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 09 Aug 05 at 10:23pm
Same, pondling...
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 04 Sep 05 at 8:56pm
When I did my course I was only 15 and had my qualification held until I was 16, so it was possible but that was over at least six years ago. Probably to do with the fact that the course was held at the end of the season & my birthday was before the start of the next. Got a funny feeling I did my my Powerboat course when I was 15 & had people on the course a year younger than us. I'm not too sure but I think at that time our rescue boats were insured for drivers over 14 but that was many years ago and things could have changed since then...... ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: ssailor
Date Posted: 04 Sep 05 at 10:04pm
well theres no age limit on powerboat driving it just comes down to insurance so they may well of been younger than 16!
------------- Any one in need of quality carbon fibre work (tillers etc) at decent prices! Int 14 Gbr 1244 'Nucking Futs' The New Port rule!!. |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 04 Sep 05 at 10:34pm
| According to my book AIs have to be under supervision of an SI and under direct supervision of an instructor. Quite a few places (in my experience anyway) have rules where powerboats have to have PB2 (to hold full PB2 you have to be 16) or you have to be 16 to even learn. Apparently the AI certificate's only valid at the centre it was awarded at, I hadn't realised that before! All these people teaching as AIs/under 16 or whatever, what have you been teaching? |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 05 Sep 05 at 1:07am
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When I was working as an AI (at 14), we were under the supervision of
instructors but at the same time if we were confident enough on a
subject we were allowed to teach pretty much anything under
supervision. A lot of the time it was on the water and rarely went into
theory stuff because the instructors course is based upon how to convey
teaching skills and assumes you are very compedent at sailing because
you have passed a pre-assessment before.
------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: ssailor
Date Posted: 05 Sep 05 at 10:13am
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that is true i passes my tidal instructors last week!
------------- Any one in need of quality carbon fibre work (tillers etc) at decent prices! Int 14 Gbr 1244 'Nucking Futs' The New Port rule!!. |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 05 Sep 05 at 11:49am
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Yer most of the kids i teach have done some sailing before, but haven't
quite got the hang of stuff like going to windward, ie. sail in etc.,
so we're just saying stuff like, " if you're going upwind, where should
your sail be" etc.
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 05 Sep 05 at 12:59pm
| Cool, I wasn't really sure what stuff you were doing. I've only worked with an AI once, and that was someone who was deferred after the DI course for group control. Last year at the centre I work at there were a few trainee instructors - they were people good enough for the DI course but too young, and I don't think there were any AIs this year. My little bro did his AI course this weekend, might ask him what he did on it, I went straight to DI. |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 05 Sep 05 at 2:52pm
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I worked as an AI for a few years at my club. The basic sail training
was held on Tuesday nights and Weekends, where the instructors were
teaching the begginners. On a Thursday night, instructor training was
carried out for the AI's and was open to Instructors sitting in too,
which ran alongside the clubs race training program. We were basically
going through the in's & out's of the instructors course at our
club with our SI who taught us classroom presentation, etc. The trainee
instructors, coming from a racing point of view, usually helped out
with the race training because it allowed the trainees to instruct
directly from a level of sailing that they were involved with and
teaching more compedent sailors seemed to have less complications
because they have a sense of what they are doing. Later on as an
instructor, we supervised the AI's and gave them enough room to
emphasise their confidence. When they were stuck, we subtley stepped in
and took over from them. We ran a stage 3 course where at the same time
as 2 instructors running the course, we had 3 AIs working for us.
Between the 2 of us we were watching the kids and the AI's &
throughout the course we were assessing the AI's and at the end of the
week it was down to us to say who was suitable for going further on to
the instructors course.
------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 05 Sep 05 at 7:25pm
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I just did a one week course and have been teaching ever since...
actually i'd been teaching for all of the previous year, but anyway...
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 16 Oct 05 at 8:12pm
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i am now a dinghy instructor! Finished the course today and am over the moon. ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 16 Oct 05 at 8:19pm
| Well done! Where did you do the course? |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 16 Oct 05 at 8:23pm
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I did the course at Plas Menai and my pre-entry down at Southampton water activites centre. both nice places ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 16 Oct 05 at 8:38pm
| Cool, sounds good! One of my friends did DI at Plas Menai. Got anywhere to work now? |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 16 Oct 05 at 8:57pm
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no, well im only 16 so hoping do someting nxt summer. otherwise its just helping out at courses at chew really ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 16 Oct 05 at 9:21pm
| Yeah definitely try, I spent a month working as a DI this sumer and it was awesome! |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 16 Oct 05 at 9:37pm
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where did u work? ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 16 Oct 05 at 10:20pm
| Up in SW Scotland, was great. Sleeping in a tent for a month in Scotland was a tad interesting! |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 17 Oct 05 at 9:53am
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Im an AI but can't get my proper instructors for another two years sadly! Even though i have been helping on a course for four years so i will have enpough hours in the log book anyway! ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 17 Oct 05 at 6:26pm
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Yer i know some people who did it at plas menai, sounds really good there.
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 19 Oct 05 at 10:37am
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Plas Menai is a great place to do any kind of course. I had a week there a few years back on their taste assymetrics course (my mate and I were the only 2 on the course). We told the instructor we were just there for a laugh and we loved it! As for the instructors I have been an AI for 4 years and am thinking about going for my full intsructors soon, I am hoping my club will run a course. Regards, Paul ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 03 Nov 05 at 4:41pm
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Errrr...I'm guessing that AI is some sort of assistant, but what do they do, and how could I be one when I'm good enough (a long time from now...)?! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 03 Nov 05 at 5:02pm
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AI is assistant instructor. details are on the RYA website
http://www.rya.org.uk/Training/Instructors/default.asp?conte ntId=2718463 Basically its a site specific qualification organised by your local RYA centre principal that allows you to teach under the direct supervision of an SI at that centre. Hope that helps ------------- Garry Lark 2252, Contender 298 www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 03 Nov 05 at 7:24pm
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Sea Falcon, yuo're way good enough, I know someone who'd been sailing for 8 months who did it. And I did it... It's a really good course, well worth it even if you don't plan to teach. ------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 03 Nov 05 at 11:47pm
| My lil bro did AI the other week, he hadn't sailed for months before! I'm sure you'd be able to do it, you might need to practise a few specific things but I'm not sure exactly what you need to be able to do.. |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 04 Nov 05 at 7:02am
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WWWWWWWWWicked!! (Sorry, just feeling a bit doolaly) I'm gonna do that - it'd be so awesome! Haha, tacking and gybing on the whistle, force 8, oppies.... I'll leave that to the imagination! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 04 Nov 05 at 9:49am
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I had been sailing for 2 years when I got mine. As long as you are a competent sailor and can impart your knowledge you can be an AI. It is valid for 5 years from date of issue but as has already been pointed out it is site or club specific (I don't suppose anything stops you from getting several AI certificates at several sites but then you really should be a full instructor if you wanted to do that). I believe the only requirement is that you need to have powerboat level 2 (I could be wrong though). Enjoy...I do (it's fun making them capsize at will...not that they ever seem to mind!) Paul ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 04 Nov 05 at 4:12pm
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It's not very hard to get the A.I cert. ------------- |
Posted By: TheSeaFalcon
Date Posted: 04 Nov 05 at 4:21pm
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Yeah, I had a look at what you need, and I've got everything bar 1 thing - I'd better get my skates on and work for it!! Level 1 and 2 of RYA certoficate and 1 advanced dinghy level (as far as I can make out)! ------------- x--x--x<x>x--x--x Topper 41825 Cherub 2539 (going, going and not quite but nearly gone)! |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 04 Nov 05 at 5:26pm
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Yeah Ellie, I have the AI and it is not difficult to get you justr need to sharpen up on points of sail and manoevers like man over board etc. The advanced module's are not difficult either, if you do seamanship skills or something, that is easy but, again you need to hot up on theory...unless you already have :D. I'll give you a hand if you want, did mine this year so can remeber the course quite well. You do have the 'clock' up on the water time so they know that you are competant teaching kids and we had to help on the sailing courses at our club for ages. Don't know about Chew tho. ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 04 Nov 05 at 5:26pm
| That's more qualified than me, before the instructor course I only had level 2.. I guess you want to do it at Chew? Try and find out who the SI is there (I guess SI's the highest there, not too sure tbh!) and see if they're planning to run any courses, it's a couple of days. Don't think you'll need PB2, as you can be an AI before 16 and you need to be 16 to hold full PB2! If you want any other stuff I can email you the stuff from the instructors handbook.. |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 04 Nov 05 at 6:28pm
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Ellie, the details for the SI at chew are in the yellow booklet thinghy in the telephone section. ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 04 Nov 05 at 8:04pm
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SeaFalcon with those qualifications you'll find it very easy, i've only ever had RYA lvl 1 before that!(not being a big fan of the rya system) ------------- |
Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 05 Nov 05 at 11:58am
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Seafalcon
If you can race a Cherub around a triangle in a decent breeze your sailing skills are probably more than that required. The RYA is not looking for brillant sailors in their instructors but rather calm and competent sailors in all conditions. The most important things IMHO is the ability to break down what you do when sailing into manageable bullet points, be able to identify what's important about a particular topic put these across simply and give constructive feedback. You require a great deal of patient and total confidence in your ability to either avoid or get out of any situation you let your students get into. You don't need L2PB for AI and its more about demonstrating competent sailing to your principal prior to the course than collecting pieces of paper. BTW Lots of people worry about the pre-entry assessment for DI but (particularly racing sailors) tend to forget you can reef the boat to carryout the exercises and that even makes sailing without a rudder fairly painless. On sailing Oppies in F8 - I find it best not scare your students witless... ------------- Garry Lark 2252, Contender 298 www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk |
Posted By: gonzo
Date Posted: 07 Nov 05 at 6:42pm
| Oppie parents are by far the worst. After coaching about 6 for a year its unbeliveable how long it can actually take to wash an oppie and how long can really be spent on rigging them. Worst of all is parents who decide they know best and want to come on a coach boat just to shout at there kids when they have no idea what so ever. Or the ever worrying parents who give you flasks of warm drinks or bottles of water to make sure little Jonny is ok. It does my head in oppie parenst are the worst find me another class to coach |