Farr (Mumm) 30
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Topic: Farr (Mumm) 30
Posted By: chic
Subject: Farr (Mumm) 30
Date Posted: 23 Jan 11 at 9:16pm
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For some years I've watched the videos in awe... And now thinking about buying one. I would like to learn more, but there seem to be very few in the UK. I'd like to ask any owners or crew past and present their views of the boat, the good and the bad, so that we can decide where to go next.
Even better would be to sail on one... If anyone would be prepared to allow a few rookie crew on their boat sometime this year in the UK we would be incredibly grateful!
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Posted By: blueboy
Date Posted: 24 Jan 11 at 8:36am
Have sailed one but only a limited amount. Crewwork needs to be very slick or you end up in all kinds of trouble.
There was a class in the Solent for a few years but that's long gone. Won't do well in IRC except in a drifter or a heavy-air downwind passage race. Therefore once the class racing went, the boats disappeared.
They are pretty old boats now (light weight, not really build to last for ever) and likely to be in need of significant TLC which, for the reasons just indicated, they probably have not received lately. You are likely to end up with a boat that you can buy cheaply but not run cheaply.
Not a boat for me unless the Solent class rebuilt, which is highly improbable. YMMV.
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Posted By: chic
Date Posted: 25 Jan 11 at 12:56pm
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Thanks for this, I'm grateful for your reply... I don't think that I'm surprised by any of your comments, and we're aware that IRC doesn't like boats like the Farr 30. There are a few french boats (or based in France) on the market since the adoption of the M34 for the Toure de Voile. Hopefully they might have been better maintained... Still curious to hear other people's experience with them, I can't believe that you are the only one!
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Posted By: Mark Jardine
Date Posted: 25 Jan 11 at 1:19pm
I did the http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=13302 - Mumm 30 Europeans a few years back on Mean Machine. They are awesome boats to sail but, exactly as blueboy says, they are not a boat to race under IRC.
The keel is very light which makes them a very tippy boat, but of course gives them the responsiveness and downwind speed that makes them so good to sail!
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Posted By: chic
Date Posted: 26 Jan 11 at 1:46pm
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Thanks Mark - yes, I did notice some pretty tiny keels in the air watching clips of chinese jibes... We don't have the heaviest of boats at the moment so I'm not unfamiliiar with 'tippiness', and as for IRC, well we don't win anything under IRC anyway, so it'll just be for the joy of it! Buying one isn't cast in stone, but we'd like to find a boat that's both quick and reasonably priiced. And more importantly, fun! I believe that's why we do it...
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Posted By: Do'm
Date Posted: 26 Jan 11 at 5:45pm
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Have you seen the 1720 that has been converted to IRC. Its had a lid and guard rails added. I saw it out at the end of the winter series at Hamble. I don't know how well it is sailed as it sailed on beyond the leeward mark stuggling with the kite.
Plenty of cheap 1720s about and could maske a cheap, fast, fun IRC boat.
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Dom
AL8069, Magical K1 03, Kairos
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Posted By: pipes
Date Posted: 01 Feb 11 at 9:10pm
My 2 pennies: Even though I would agree that the Farr 30 is perhaps not the typical IRC boat, the reputation is worse than the actual situation. It is a fact that a Farr 30 won the IRC Nationals in Sweden 2009 and the IRC class in Round Gotland Race 2010, Sweden's biggest "offshore" race. The Farr 30 won before Corby designs, the King 40 and other more typical IRC boats. So it can be done.
My experience of handicap racing in the Farr 30 is that it is capable of delivering results both in light winds (up and down) and in the heavier stuff if you get enough downwind angles in a race. Of course, a 30 feet boat with 40 feet performance will have a soft spot and the lack of waterline length is obviously tough to deal with if you get a long upwind leg where waterline pays off. OTOH, other boats that have the waterline and can deal with the heavier stuff will suffer both when the wind is light and when the Farr 30 have planing conditions, like 20-25 knot TWS.
Given the very good economy in campaigning the F30, I wouldn't be so quick ruling it out.
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Posted By: chic
Date Posted: 03 Feb 11 at 1:27pm
Thanks for your posts... It's always interesting to hear other people's views. Pipes, your experiences club racing in the Farr are very similar to what we already find with our current boat, a Projection 762. We do well when the conditions are to either end of the spectrum. I think this is what we expected, but it's good to hear a more optimistic view!
Regarding converted 1720's Dom, well I agree that 1720's are a lot of boat for the money, but I can't really see the point of adding a lid if you can simply buy a similar boat that already has one (J80??). Personally I don't have the time, and anyway we already have a 25' boat but would like to go larger. Buying a 1720 would seem like a bit of a side-step, but thanks for the thought...
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Posted By: Do'm
Date Posted: 03 Feb 11 at 2:24pm
I tend to agree with you although I found it a novel idea of rejuvinating a dying class. And I don't know either how much a conversion would cost and how well it would do on rating. J80 - fantastic boat and a lot of money for what they are. If you have got a load of dosh the new J111 is awsome.
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Dom
AL8069, Magical K1 03, Kairos
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Posted By: gbr940
Date Posted: 17 Feb 11 at 10:29am
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Being class secretary for the J/80s - I'm a little biased and don't let me saying that the Worlds are going to be in Dartmouth next year (with possibly 130boats) swing your decision. However, I still believe that the Mumm (or Farr) 30 is the best boat ever designed and by far the most rewarding you will ever sail. I used to race on Offbeat and never had a bad day on the water - its a shame the fleet moved because of costs...even more a shame they are no longer the Tour de Voile boat.
Under IRC - I agree was a pain, but who doesn't like the challenge...ok upwind you'll struggle compared to the 40.7's and Prima 38's etc etc but downwind you'll blow them away planning at 20knots...in my view bring it on!!
Good luck with your hunt and if you need any info about the J/80 drop me a line!
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RS400 GBR1321
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